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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: Chris Thu, Apr 06, 2006 IP: 81.155.19.9 Does any one know what rank this badge represented. Is it from the 19th century (as I think it is), or is it earlier. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: BenDRL Thu, Apr 06, 2006 It's probably a 6th rank egret although I haven't seen an egret with such a large area of tail feathers. Usually the tail feathers form a small wedge instead of being so long. The item would date no earlier than 1850 because of the existance bottom straight striped area. It's probably dates after 1860-1870 because of the bright blue alkaline dyes (at least it appears on my computer monitor to be alkaline). There's 2 tassles attached to the piece, so it may have been a part of a purse. Hope this helps. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: njg Fri, Apr 07, 2006 The Book of Rites details ranks. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: njg Fri, Apr 07, 2006 There is a very good article on the Forum about textiles: |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: Chris Fri, Apr 07, 2006 Hi Ben, |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: njg Sun, Apr 09, 2006 I wrote a couple of page answer to this post which seems to have disappeared. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: Katherine Sat, Apr 15, 2006 I would actually guess it is a silver pheasant 5th rank not an egret. It is slightly confusing since it only has four long tail feathers not 5 (which is more typical of silver pheasants). But I think the scale pattern on the back coupled with the presence of two short tails feathers on either side of the long tail feathers is more consistent with the silver pheasant. I agree with Bendrl that it is mid to late 19th century and probably was converted to a purse in 20th century which is common. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: BenDRL Wed, Apr 19, 2006 At first I thought that it was a 5th rank also, but I was troubled by the lack of 5 feathers (the standard way of telling if it's a 5th rank). My theory is that the maker of the badge deliberately made the 6th rank bird look like a 5th rank bird to make the wearer look like a higher ranking official. I've seen examples of badges which are deceptive like that. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: njg Mon, Apr 24, 2006 Just a theory on the rank badges. To use five tail feathers would indicate the Yang aspect, perhaps it has been made for a female courtier where the number 4 would would be more appropriate. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: njg Sat, May 13, 2006 In the Samsung Gallery of Korean Art is a rank badge showing an egret with 4 tail feathers. |
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Subject:Re: Chinese rank badge
Posted By: Chris Mon, May 29, 2006 I would like to thank all those who were kind enough to put interesting and useful comments in regards to this piece. |
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