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Can anyone read these makers marks? Unfortunately someone drilled a drain hole right through the mark of the one piece obscuring much of the mark. I believe it's Chinese...but I don't know. The other I think is Japanese...but again I don't know.

Thank you!

Hi, I'm from China, so I can definitely tell you the first marks, it reads "Da Qing Qian Long Nian Zhi", which means "Made in the Qianlong Period of Qing Dynasty(1636-1912)". Qianlong (1711-1799) was one of most famous emperor in China History.

For the second, I also think it's Japanese, it reads "Mu Mi", means "Wooden Rice", but I have no idea about its real meaning.

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Al, the drill hole is in the middle of a backstamp with an apocryphal Qianlong mark that was used frequently in the early 20th century on Chinese porcelain table services and other export wares. The other two-character mark is Japanese and reads 'Mokubei', which was a well known studio founded by Aoki Mokubei (1767-1833). I'm not sure if that studio is still in business, but your item looks like it is much later than the 19th century. Best regards, Bill H.

I thank you all for the information. As I've said in the past, this is a great forum. Here's a picture of the Chinese piece with the Qing Dynasty mark.

Thanks again!

Dear Al,

I think you're right about both origins.
The first one (Chinese) reads "Da Qing Qianlong nian zhi" (made in the Qing periode during the reign of emperor Qianlong)but is not of that period. Probably Guangxu period or later.
My guess for the second one is Japanese indeed but I have to leave the translation to others.

Regards,

Arjan

Folks,

I want to thank you all!! Unfortunately, I've been looking in the wrong area for a response to my question. I've been looking at the "Message Board" and just figured out today that my question was posted in the main forum. Again, thank you.


I believe you are all correct. Aoki Mokubei died, I think, in the early 19th century and this piece definitely looks much younger than that...although the style is very Kutani-esque.

The other, Chinese, piece is also in the style of the period, (undergalzed in the yellows, turquiose, blue, rose and iron red), but also looks much younger. (I didn't include an overall picture of this piece in my first post. I hope you don't mind if I include it here)

Al

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