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I just bought this pot at a small antique shop in ENGLAND.It is 16cm high and 23cm wide.IT feels old and certainly does not feel new
It was quite a job taking photo of this because of the flash,the second picture is closest to the colour
Please look and advice
Thanks in advance
toan

This one looks ok for 18/19th century. The base is usually ground back and the base has a brown cafe au lit colored glaze.

Toan, on second look, more likely 19th than 18th century . The 18th century pieces have thicker walls and thick darker red glaze with slight crackle. The brown glaze on the bottom is also a lighter shade.

Many thanks LEE
Best wishes
toan

Sorry, but this appears to be recently made. There is a similar glazed piece listed on eBay #290406307366

Many thanks Tony
I have looked at the the item (you kindly provided the number ) and you are right, it does look new
Best wishes
toan

Mr Allen yes there are some similarities and differences between the e-bay piece and Toans. However I suspect Toans is from he late 19th century. The reduced flat foot on Toan's piece is a good sign as the glaze is very fluid and flows uncontrollably resulting in the foot needing some cut back after firing. The e bay piece has a rounded foot which is incorrect. The glaze color on the bottom on the e-bay is wrong but that on Toan is commonly encountered in late 19th century pieces. Toan these are features you should look for when you are looking for a 18th century piece next time. I took this one out from a old lamp, which came from a English family.

This does not look like "flambé" glaze to me, more like Shiwan splash glaze (several glaze formulations rather than one transformed-in-kiln).

Your thoughts?

Good luck,
Cal

Took this photos at the palace museum of a very large flambe pot- it is almost 1 meter in diameter. The inside you notice is a thick grey colored glaze. Most 18th century pieces do not have flambe glaze continuing inside of the vessel only a trace.

Many thanks LEE for going through all the trouble
Many thanks for your advice on features of genuine LANGYAO as well as FLAMBE wares
Kind regards
toan

Forum,

In order for Toan's pot to be older (Qing or earlier), would it not have to have a crackled glaze? I don't see any evidence of crazing in the pictures.

Reason being, I have a similar coloured vase that has been deemed a later production due to the lack of crackles.


Regards,
Bill...

Hi bill, there has to be crackle on the glaze, to be authentic. That is because the temperature in the old wood coal klins were not constant and when there is a thick glaze there is bound to be crackling. You don't get them on electric oven modern flambe or langyao vases. An absence of crackling is a sure sign of a modern fake.There is lots of crackle on the 18th century flambe jar I posted. They appear as fine white lines in the picture. I think I can see it on Toan's vase as well. That is a sign that it is at least late 19th century or early 20th century and wood klin fired.

Dear all many thanks for your interest and advices
Dear BILL, there are crackles on the glaze(at the rim of the pot which you can just about to see)this is because i took the photo in a not so ideal lighting condition and to avoid the flash i took the photos from far away and them zoom closer
This pot is quite heavy and it definitely feel old and look old in reality
Anyway new or old it is still a nice pot(if it is new then it is part of my education fee)
Once again thank you
Kind regards
toan

Sorry i posted further images on the wrong place
here they are again

Thanks Toan...

I can now see the crazing..

Bill..

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