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Dear Sir

Beautiful jade, real old? date? please help.

Thanks
Diago

The second one is dipped..artificially colored. This is one reason why I do not trust the other two. A dirty Jade carving sends a warning signal...
Ernest

Corrections sorry not brown fissure but large reddish brown fissure like the one you see on jade pieces in china town art shops. These staining is artificial and created by boiling the jade in a artificial dye. Have Fun, LEE.

The third piece seems Ok; craving style looks correct. Need much better pictures to show material, tools mark etc... Are they your pieces?

Very good KK, I agree with you,they are all genuine from what I can see, not like that water dragon hehe. You are indeed very good KK. Well done.

All 3 pieces look good. Piece one jade tablet- song- ming. Piece 2 dragon pendant.- ming to early ching. Piece 3 Western Zhou But beware it may not be the same piece for sell.

Hi Diago, all 3 pieces are genuine. However what you see may not be what you get when buying on the internet. Beware! Piece no1 has very natural subsurface calcification, the material is native Khotan green jade. This piece would have been a jade tablet for a daoist statue. It would be at least Song or Ming and probably have undergone burial. Piece no2 is dragon pendant of the 17th century late Ming dynasty, early Ching. It typically has dark colored veins, grey white Hetian jade. This is probably because it was buried in organic rich soil probably taken from graves in Southern China, probably the Nanjing Suzhou area. My ming jade dog would come under this category of fissure staining. I have 3 other pendants of this similar design with dark veins.This piece is nicely carved. Beware of pieces with a lot of brown colored staining, they have been infused with artificial coloration. The last piece is Western Zhou. this piece is carved in celadon hetian jade and buried with it's owner. The design of the bird is typical. It has some surface alteration. Such pieces without dark fissures comes from Northern China. It is because the desert weather produces very little organic matter in the ground, evident by the light colored clay like soil on the piece. It typically has some calcification spots, due to high lime content. Beware of pieces with brown stained fissure as they are evident of forgery. I hope this helps. Never buy jade on the internet without personally viewing and handling because what you get may not be what you see.

Mr.Lee I am confused. They are true or fake?

More.

Hi Diago, these other 3 pieces are also genuine. These jade pieces are worth about 3-6thousand USD each. Pieces one slit ring with shang design, piece 2 Huang dragon pendant, late spring- autumn period 3)Neolithic huang. Diago, I suspect, the reason why he was ban,was because what he shown on the Ebay wasn't what he sold? I think you will find that these may be museum pieces or pieces from famous auction houses like Christies.They are not fakes.

Correction Diago, I spot a sophisticated fake, piece one the slit ring with Shang design is fake with the wrong cut for the period and no sign of patina and very square profile. The soil on it is also a little too dark for northern desert. The other 2 pieces are 100% genuine.

The slit ring also was made from the wrong material, it is too white to be shang or earlier. This jade was quarried and sliced and not from a river pebble. It is a good fake, worth 50 dollars or less in Chinese antique market.

Lee & KK seem to sing from the same song book.
I am intensely suspcious of all three items, solely because of the ID marks on each one; the first possibly an expired eBay listing, the other two typical of copyright marks used by mainland Chinese sellers of fakes.

Recently there was a new jade seller (from Hong Kong) with the name of Antiquekingdom started selling some pretty expensive jade carvings on eBay, when I checked again this person was no longer a registered seller with eBay and left with only 6 rating. Apparently he was banned from eBay. These three jade carvings listed here look highly suspicious to me.

Something comes to mind, I have never seen in a museum a number imprinted like in the first photo. It could be a Lytton/Lillooet Nephrite. This material is now used to make "genuine antiques"
Ernest

Diago,
Where are these jade came from? Are they from a museum collection? I don't buy or sell on ebay, but I will be very interesting to see links of this seller(s). Could someone provide some links here.

Looking through the Christies.com website. I spotted the 17th century pendant. As I correctly told the audience. This one is lot 1988 sale 2711. So Diago are you trying to test us or this guy hongbachi for real? Did I score full marks? The fake piece I can see is the slit ring am I right? is that one yours? You can study cuts all you want but if you don't handle the real thing you know nothing. Thats a fact. They are all different in material inclusion, cuts, style and so on, for different period and different regions and etc.

ha ha, this is funny.

Mr. Lee that ring is one of Christies'

LOT 307 SALE 2268
Eastern Zhou Dynasty
A rare pair of small white jade slit-disc earrings.

Without Christies' brand, in your opinion it's fake, isn't it?

Diago, I think the sellers just used auction house pictures to rip you off.

Hi Gina, good spot. I thought it was fake on closer view, because it was too white without any sign of normal patination on a buried piece. Such things do not look like late ching republic jade which are flawless because they were not carved out of quarried jade boulders. They were carved out of river pebbles. Anyway sometimes it is hard telling from a photo. But I still think it is a fake. The rest looks ok.

Lee,
Congratulation you still did very well! 5 out of 6 on such low resolution pictures with misleading eBay id numbers and no closeups. There are probably very few collectors out there have 6 pieces museum quality jades.

kk

Thanks for the compliment KK, you are pretty good as well. It goes to show, it isn't so hard if you handle enough of the real thing.

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