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Subject:Looking to indentify two watercolours
Posted By: Dizzygil Sun, Aug 12, 2012 IP: 91.135.1.106

Greetings,

I was wondering if anyone here could perhaps help me in identifying the artist of these two watercolours.

Also, any information on the scenes painted would be great, if they have a special meaning.

Thank you indeed.

Best regards

Link :Album with photographs of the paintings in question


Subject:Re: Looking to indentify two watercolours
Posted By: Dizzygil Tue, Aug 14, 2012

Trying to see if I can display the pictures of the two paintings, rather than just posting a link ....

I would still very much like to know the artists name or any information relating to these two paintings.

The quality of the images is much better if you follow the link above to the photo album.



Thank you and best regards,





Subject:Re: Looking to indentify two watercolours
Posted By: rat Thu, Aug 16, 2012

the written inscriptions are simply descriptions of the scenes depicted; the seal contains the surname Xiong, but no given name to be found. Look pretty recent to me albeit in an older style

Subject:Re: Looking to indentify two watercolours
Posted By: Dizzygil Sun, Aug 19, 2012

Thank you for your reply.

I too think that they are fairly recent.

I am however curious in reference of the surname Xiong, perhaps these could be attempts to copy Ren Xiong's artwork?

If anyone would be so kind and translate the scene descriptions for me, that would be great.

Thank you and best regards,

Subject:Re: Looking to indentify two watercolours
Posted By: rat Mon, Aug 20, 2012

no, not attempts to copy Ren Xiong's work. For one thing, Ren is the surname and Xiong the given name, whereas Xiong on its own can also serve as a surname as I'm assuming it does here. Also this seal impression and its carving style look too recent to be 19th century; I rather doubt Ren Xiong had a seal that looks like this, though I don't know for sure. Also the painting style is not particularly Ren Xiong-related. Will look at the titles in the morning

Subject:Re: Looking to indentify two watercolours
Posted By: Dizzygil Thu, Aug 23, 2012

Thank you again for your reply.

I look forward to a translation of the titles, whenever it is convenient, as I am indeed very curios to find out.

Best regards,

Subject:Re: Looking to indentify two watercolours
Posted By: rat Tue, Aug 28, 2012

sorry to keep you waiting. the inscription on the picture with the woman is straightforward, but I've not yet grasped that with the man. the one with the woman reads: "chun ren chu lian hua zai bo", or something like, "the maiden literally "spring person" but refers to the girl) emerges through the curtain as the flowers blow about (literally "undulate").

I can't identify several of the characters of the other picture's inscription. What I have seems like: "shi" (rock) lan (obstacle) "yi" (principle, righteousness) "cai" (talent)/"shou" (hand, not sure which) X X "sheng" (a musical instrument). if these two pictures are part a set, however, the language of both inscriptions and the part of speech of each character is often parallel, so that the inscription with the man would follow the syntax of the picture with the woman, in other words: two characters identifying the subject, then a verb, then the object of the verb, followed by a second phrase of three characters in which the second character has the function of a verb or preposition. However, on the basis of the characters I can make out and what I can intuit about the characters I can't make out, I'm not sure that there is actually any strict parallelism going on. so that's about as far as I can get you.


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