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Subject:Japanese or Chinese Cop Mark? Artist?
Posted By: Mark Korn Tue, May 14, 2013 IP: 98.203.248.13

Looking for help in identifying this chop mark; as to age, artist, where it is from, etc? It's on paper; very old.







Subject:Re: Japanese or Chinese Cop Mark? Artist?
Posted By: Bill H Wed, May 15, 2013

There's not a lot that can be said with certainty about your painting based on two near-thumbnail views of the seal and another of a strip along its edge. I'm sure those who know the most about this subject would appreciate a view of the entire piece.

The seal could be read either way, in the modern manner from left to right as Shi Shu (standard characters 石漱), with Shi being a surname. Or if read in the traditional manner from right to left, this could be the given name or style name Shushi (same characters).

One possibility is the late Chinese painter, Rong Shushi (容漱石 - 1901-1996), but I have no grounding in his works and very little in Chinese fine arts in general. Rong was a member of a group called the "Tianfeng Seven", consisting of disciples of Gao Qifeng, a founder of the Lingnan school.

Shushi embodies the operative characters from a Chinese saying, shùshízhěn​liú (漱石枕流), which term the British diplomat, Chinese translator and lexicographer Herbert Giles translated as "to rinse one's mouth (with the beauty of) rocks, and pillow one's head on (the murmur of) streams", a metaphor for "Living in seclusion". Rong Shushi is said to have kept a low profile for much of his life, a trait that sounds like a hint at a connection to your mark.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Japanese or Chinese Cop Mark? Artist?
Posted By: Mark Thu, May 16, 2013

Wow! Thank you for the information. I will post some pictures of the painting itself. To me it looks much older.







Subject:Re: Japanese or Chinese Cop Mark? Artist?
Posted By: rat Thu, May 16, 2013

possibly Japanese as well, Soseki "to gargle with rocks". you never know

Subject:Re: Japanese or Chinese Cop Mark? Artist?
Posted By: Mark Fri, May 17, 2013

What does that name mean? Also: What is 'to gargle with rocks"?

Thanks again

Subject:Re: Japanese or Chinese Cop Mark? Artist?
Posted By: Bill H Sun, May 19, 2013

"Shu" (漱) means "to rinse the mouth" or "gargle", while "Shi" (石) means "rock". Chinese, like most languages, has many such terms that can't be read too literally. Read outside of the longer metaphor cited above, "Shushi" (gargling with rocks) might also evoke the kind of "roughing it" existence endured by wandering Buddhist ascetics and other holy men and hermits.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Japanese or Chinese Cop Mark? Artist?
Posted By: mark Tue, May 21, 2013

Any idea on possible age?


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