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Subject:U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: mugzinny Sat, Jul 22, 2017 IP: 74.88.65.169

I would like to know the age of this plate and why or what purpose was it made for. Any Ideals would be greatly appreciated. I am curious as to wheater it has a link to our navy or arm forces. Curiosity is running wild is it a 1 of a kind or commercially made?







Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: rat Sat, Jul 22, 2017

Seems to be a contemporary/recent plate made to imitate plates exported from China in the 18th century that were painted with US and European scenes/heraldry/etc. This one has a false Qianlong era mark on the back that I'm not familiar with. Usually genuine plates like these were made as part of large dinner sets of maybe dozens of pieces. They didn't include reign marks. See: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ewpor/hd_ewpor.htm

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: mugzinny Mon, Jul 24, 2017

Thanks rat for that wonderful link to the Met. That complete set made or Samuel Chase was really impressive. The more I get into this Chinese porcelain addition the more I want to know.
Thanks

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: mikeoz Sat, Jul 22, 2017

The stamped mark reads 仿大清乹隆年, meaning made in the style of the time of the Qing QianLong emperor.

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: mugzinny Mon, Jul 24, 2017

Thanks for translating this mark for me, I know so little about Chinese writing. Thanks for the insight

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: TD Sun, Jul 23, 2017

Practically brand new in imitation of Chinese export wares for North America in the China trade with the United States after the revolution. Mark reads "in imitation of Great Qing Qianlong reign."

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: Mugzinnys Mon, Jul 24, 2017

Thanks for translating So this plate imitating works Done during the Great Qing Qianlong reign. Would you say that the painting on this plate is of poor quality?

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: TD Wed, Jul 26, 2017

The design on your plate is decorative and is a modern interpretation of the motifs (American eagle/stars/garlands) that graced the 18th and 19th century export wares destined for the U.S.

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: plasticman9 Sun, Jul 23, 2017

Not commemorative of any event. U.S. coat of arms not factually represented. The plate is a recent production made for the "tourist trade".

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: mugzinny Mon, Jul 24, 2017

When you said recent and tourist trade, What comes to mind with me is President Nixon's trip to China in 1972 and Henry Kissinger trip to China. Does that mean that the plate could be as old as 45 years old, or younger than that?



Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: plasticman Wed, Jul 26, 2017

By recent, it could have been made this decade and probably was. It is sometimes impossible to accurately date a piece of porcelain made within contemporaneous times.

Subject:Re: U. S. coat of arms Enamel Plate Why Commemorate Special occasion Republic Period or later ????
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Jul 28, 2017

Quite a lot of faux Americana was produced in China in order to get a piece of the market action spawned by the USA's bicentennial celebration in the 1970's.

Here are links to a related forum thread.

Best regards,

Bill H.




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