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Subject:need ID of Chinese painting of "royal" bear escaping cage
Posted By: Wayne J. Wed, Jan 10, 2018 IP: 2601:449:8301:afb9:9

I will start with pics of the scroll label, "title", and side inscription. I am new to this site, but will try to add pics of the seals and painting. If I'm understanding the posting instructions, I can only do that after this first message is posted. (I have examined the painting under 8X and it appears older and not a print.) Thanks in advance! -Wayne







Subject:Re: need ID of Chinese painting of "royal" bear escaping cage
Posted By: I.Nagy Thu, Jan 11, 2018

1st picture reading,
清 焦秉貞 心物 Qing(Dynasty) Jiao Bingzhen (Name of
painter) Present
乙丑三月北樓題 Year of Wood-Buffalo (..1745,1805,1865..) March, Inscription by Bei Lou
2nd picture reading,
傳世之作   Work handed down from ancient times
乾隆甲子七月  July of Qianlong Wood-Rat Year (1744)
3rd picture reading,
仿李伯時筆法 於藹芳閣 
Painted after the style of uncle Li`s time at Aifang
Pavilion
両客作此  This done by two (artists)
焦秉貞   Jiao Bingzhen

All seals are illegible from pictures.

Jiao Bingzhen, Qing court painter and astrologer.
Birth and death uncertain (?1689-?1726) -Google-

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Re: need ID of Chinese painting of "royal" bear escaping cage
Posted By: rat Fri, Jan 12, 2018

仿李伯時筆法 

In the brushwork style of Li Bai's era (the Tang poet)

Subject:Re: need ID of Chinese painting of "royal" bear escaping cage
Posted By: rat Sun, Jan 14, 2018

"両客作此" "two painters painted this" is not possible: the base of the second character is clearly 心, so 客 is incorrect.

Subject:pics of stamps and Chinese "royal bear" painting
Posted By: Wayne J. Thu, Jan 11, 2018

Here's pics to go with my post yesterday. I apologize that yesterday's pics were fuzzy, and I can post new ones if needed. I can also post closeups of the painting itself, as the one today is not very good. Thanks again. -Wayne







Subject:Re: pics of stamps and Chinese "royal bear" painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Fri, Jan 12, 2018

The reading of first two seals,
夢問鑑賞 "Dreaming connoisseur"
火木騒書画圖章 Mu Sao Painting and Calligraphy Stamp
(First two characters should be contracted in one)

These are the seals of collectors.
The another two seals are same. They are too much
complicated to read.

With regards,
I.Nagy
 

Subject:Re: pics of stamps and Chinese "royal bear" painting
Posted By: Wayne J. Sat, Jan 13, 2018

Hello Mr. or Ms. Nagy, Thank you so much for your translations. The other replier doubted this was an original by Jiao Bingzhen. You translated that it was painted by two painters. However unlikely, could it have been Bingzhen and one of his students? If not, what would be your guess about the age and value of the painting, and the relevance of the collector stamps? Do you think I should have it appraised? Thanks again for any information.





Subject:Re: pics of stamps and Chinese "royal bear" painting
Posted By: rat Sun, Jan 14, 2018

the figures are painted in a modern style; this picture was painted within the past few decades.

Subject:Re: need ID of Chinese painting of "royal" bear escaping cage
Posted By: rat Thu, Jan 11, 2018

This picture claims to be by Qing court artist Jiao Bingzhen, which it almost certainly is not, accompanied by a frontispiece dated 1744 (ditto). The title is simply "People" or "(Human) Figures", nothing about a bear. There are almost no classical Chinese paintings of bears. The one that comes to mind is within a section of one of the earliest surviving Chinese paintings and in the British Museum (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Admonitions_Scroll_Scene_4.jpg/702px-Admonitions_Scroll_Scene_4.jpg); a Song dynasty copy of this painting is in the Palace Museum Beijing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll#/media/File:Admonitions_Scroll_Scene_4_(Song_copy).jpg). Unless Jiao made a copy of that scene at some point there would be no confusing it with a picture by him.

Jiao painted and wrote with a very precise style (http://jsl641124.blog.163.com/blog/static/177025143201191251824147/); the inscription and the treetops shown in your last image at first glance seem stylistically unrelated to him.

Subject:Re: need ID of Chinese painting of "royal" bear escaping cage
Posted By: John R Mon, Jan 15, 2018

Not able to offer any stylistic help, but two
of the seals are similar to those of famous late
19th century and early twentieth century collectors.
I have also seen these seals on known forgeries.






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