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Subject:Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Michael Tue, Nov 22, 2005

Would anyone be willing (or brave enough) to comment on the qianlong mark shown in the photo. Period or later ??? Any comments would be appreciated. thank you



Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Kang Tue, Nov 22, 2005

Four character Qianlong mark. Usually found on Early Republic porcelain of fine quality, circa 1920. This is a thick enamel mark, well rendered, difficult to work with (flows like molasses in winter at that time). It is not normally used on low quality items, unless for a test item.

They also forge this mark now, with or without enclosing squares. Mark itself is copied by laser if they want to trouble themselves, and then it is difficult to tell solely by the mark. Usually done now with better items commanding higher prices. As laser techniques become cheaper, expect more with lower quality.

There are porcelain research institutes in China, including Jindezhen the porcelain capital, which are devoted to the study of reproducing ancient ceramics. They are equiped with the latest instruments for analyzing and reproducing chemical composition and characteristics. The physical and material aspects are getting better and better. What they cannot perfect are in the areas of aethestics and process (cooking in the oven, for example).

Your picture is very good and shows the quality of the enamel well. I expect soon they will be able to reproduce this mark using high qualtity enamel. Probably can do it now, just a matter of the right economics.

OK what does the other side look like? I'll be so disappointed if it is of low quality.




Subject:Re: Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Daniel Thu, Nov 24, 2005

Agree with Kang. If it had a double-square it COULD be of the period. But then it has to be a world-class item. Could you show your piece? I'm very interested.

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Anna Saratelli Thu, Nov 24, 2005

Could not even venture a guess without a photo of item.

Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Gigi Wed, Nov 09, 2011

I have a piece with similar mark



Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Arjan Thu, Nov 10, 2011

Hi Gigi,

Your's is not a Qianlong mark but a Xuande (Ming period)mark. It reads: "Xuande nian zhi".

Regards,

Arjan

Subject:Re: Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Cal Thu, Nov 10, 2011

Yours is not 'similar,' but say Xuande reign made (Xuande reign Ming dynasty, 1426-1435 CE).

Is similar in being apocryphal put on modern ware.

If you want estimate when actually made, post photos in separate thread, show profile of whole piece, in-focus closeup of decoration, in-focus closeup of most of footring, all take in natural light.

Good luck,
Cal

Subject:Re: Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Gigi Sat, Nov 12, 2011

Thank you so much! I can't figure out how to post more than one photo in my replies-will try another

Subject:Re: Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Bol Sun, May 21, 2017

Hi Cal, Hello everyone!:)

You seem to be an expert. I have a small cup with top. with this seal mark.

Can you please help me to figure out which period is it from? & if worth anything?

Opinions are very welcome from everyone!

Thank in advance for your help.

Kind Regards,
Bol



Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Lynne Tue, Mar 27, 2012

Hi,

I have a miniature teaset with a very similar mark, which is enclosed within a square with two very fine lines. The mark seems to be an underglaze mark, which is why the pic of this is blurry....the light keeps reflecting off the bottom when I try to photograph it...and is not so tight and precise as the one pictured here. I was told when I bought it, that it was Qianlong, but I'm not sure if it is of the period, or a later reproduction. I do think though, that it has some age to it, as there is a little spot of iron showing through on the inside base of the teapot. Any thoughts, guys?







Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: nathan Thu, Dec 20, 2012

I just found out that i have a saucer and cup.
Red mark. Just ask who it belonged to.
It's from my great grandmother.

Guess i should check it out. See how much it's worth.

Greeting from the netherlands

Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: M Bown Thu, Mar 20, 2014

I have a vase with this mark on the base in red surrounded by a double square. It was given to my grandfather by a local chinese reastaurant as a thankyou present in the late 1950's (He was a policeman who helped them out with some racist vandals). We have no idea where it came from before that or of the age. Do you know anything about it?

Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Philip Hill Mon, Oct 22, 2018

Hi. I have a similar mark, but in blood red. Can anyone tell me if this item is likely to be old or have any value ?

Sorry I know this thread is very old, but thought I would ask since the characters are clearly the same and some of you seem very knowledgable.



Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Bill H. Tue, Oct 23, 2018

Sorry but not antique. It is a late 20th century product of a Chinese ceramic ornamentation factory, perhaps in Hong Kong or Macao, which used transfer printed motifs on porcelain blanks made in China. The Qianlong mark on yours is just part of the decoration.

The link below from gotheborg.com shows one of the Hong Kong shops several years ago.

Best regards,

Bill H.

URL Title :HKPorcelain


Subject:Re: Qianlong Reign Mark Four Character
Posted By: Martin Michels Wed, Oct 24, 2018

This Qianlong mark is one of the most seen marks on all kind of Chinese ware in the 2nd half of the 20th century till even now. So no, it's not old.
Looking at the poorly painting, this is another indication that it's not old and that means also it's not valuable.
Regards,
Martin.


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