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Qianlong Vase Soars To Record $85.9 Million! Well-Made Fake�IFive Flaws!

1. According to the authoritative information, period of Qianlong imperial porcelains with enamel decoration (falangcai) is blue mark without exception, this vase be auctioned is with blue and white mark.

2.The seal mark is connected the dots and not reflect the beauty of Chinese calligraphy.

3.It has been two hundred years, the characteristics of the color material is not old.

4.The gold outline painted is goldwater formula imported from Germany and is not gold mud of Qianlong period.

5.The fish pattern forgot to draw beard, not the level of court painter.

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4a7b0bb30100ni1o.html
Yours
GUANGHUI PEI
Online Identification of Chinese Cultural Relics

There're some reasons why a rare treasure turns to be incorrect :
1. The piece is exceedingly rare and never been published to the world, so most of us can't recognize it as real treasure. Because we never seen any similar for comparing and its great rarity beyond our knowledge, therefore we will say it as incorrect piece (the problem is in our limited knowledge on the piece, not to the piece).
2.If we only see from photographs, the images are not good enough.
3.Or the piece itself indeed a reproduction.

In establishing authenticity of a rare treasure, sometimes two cases happen. If an expert declares a reproduction as authentic, we will say the maker is good. But it expert declares an authentic piece as reproduction, we will say the expert is stupid, because can't recognize genuine article precisely. By rejecting authentic piece as authentic, the experts not only stupid but also has destroyed the history of chinese ceramics by ignoring important evidence (a rare treasure, especially the first-class object, will always be an important evidence to the history).

Concerning the 86M qianlong vase, do you think an ultra-rich collector want to pay such large amount of money for reproduction/fake ?
each of ultra-rich collector must be have very very knowledgeable advisors before making any bid, so do for the underbidders. Do you think they want to compete in bidding fake object for a very high price ? or do you think their highly knowledgeable advisors were wrong recognize the lot ?
I only have question.

Ly,

The rich collector wants a world class collection. If the collector is not an expert (as is often the case), said collector must pay for advice or pay a buyer to bid/buy for him. How the rented expert is paid is the rub. If he says: "I want to spend $50 million on Chinese ceramics and I will pay you a 10% finder's fee", then the rented expert has a motive to spend $50 million - NOT a motive to buy excellent pieces. There have been numerous lawsuits for such arrangements.

Cheers,
Stan

Or auction house is actual owner of questionable item, make private deal to loan purchase price to buyer if buyer give auction house the buyer's premium up front, and then pay interest on loan.

If buyer not satisfied with purchase, auction house quietly reclaim ownership (supposed buyer never really had possession since price not fully paid) after buyer pay premium to avoid embarrassing exposure. Piece could then be sold privately for a ~lot~ less and disappear. Meantime is publicity, supposed record price, no spoiled reputation and no real expert can handle questionable item.

Excuse me, have to revive my kiwi bank account and talk to a nice Nigerian lady about an inheritance.

Good luck,
Cal

Based on it's provenance and history, there is only 2 possibilities for this vase genuine Qianlong mark and period or a late 19th century- republic replica. They can be hard to tell between the 2 sometimes. There was a Republic blue and white meiping vase marked qianlong at Bonhams San Francisco that was recently sold for 7.65million USD with reserve of only 6000USD as it was dated republic. Some expert could have questioned the dating of this piece and was prepared to risk buying the piece at a qianlong mark and period price and not accepting the Bonham's specialist's advise that the piece was no older than the 1920's and worth a couple of thousand dollars. It seems that there are a few very rich punters that are willing to pay a lot for very good 1900's qianlong replicas. As for the Bainbridge vase it is hard to tell from a picture .

It is very possible that some private potters specialize in Qianlong and other replicas similar to the work of Mr. Suio Ko in Henan Province. He claims to be a 30th generation potter and has developed a system to duplicate Sancai pottery identical to that of the Tang Dynasty.Experimenting with wood-fired kilns and various colors of glaze,completed pieces are carefully inspected before burial in Henan soil (as were the Tang pieces),for seven years. The final product is then inspected again for color changes and other considerations, with a final success rate of less than one percent acceptable. The few completed and accepted products command exceptionally high prices and have been mistaken for original Tang ceramics by most experts. Although Mr. Ko produces these products in an honest business and documents the buyers, who knows how many times they will change hands in the next 50 years? In that length of time, the prices will be multiplied with each transaction,current experts may be gone, and the products will reach the auction houses as "authentic" Tang pieces.

Were definitely reproducers Qianlong type ceramics 1980s at Jingdezhen. Complained to magazine article author that publication showed only one side.

Well-published collections likely to have reproductions made, if not exact in color and paste.

Good luck,
Cal

hi i have a really old decroative satsuma with hand painted gold elephant heads. colbalt blue. rust on bottom. three images on both front and back pics include also side image on both. all images on front and back are outlined, in sequence from bottom to top. small on bottome big pic in middle small pic on top.but everything is gold traced. there are theses wierd patterns throuhout with little white and orange circle bump dots. shows two phesants and flowers that look like stars. and big bluee tree stump with brances in middle pic. these wierd circular designs throughout painted in gold. there are no marks. is there anyone that might have further insight on my piece. thanks!.

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