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Subject:Kangxi dragon and carp plate?
Posted By: JLim Sun, Dec 01, 2013 IP: 58.173.40.189


Got at an absurdly low price at a local auction house. Anyone think this might be genuine Kangxi?

http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jlim2397/library/Kangxi%20dragon%20and%20carp%20plate?sort=3&page=

Subject:Re: Kangxi dragon and carp plate?
Posted By: JLim Sat, Dec 07, 2013



Anyone....?

Subject:Re: Kangxi dragon and carp plate?
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Dec 08, 2013

I have a couple of blue and white minyao "dragon & leaping carp" plates that seem to be of the Kangxi period, based on characteristics of the glaze and straw color of the foot-rim biscuit. Both exhibit artistic "freedom of expression" in the painting of pattern elements, which seems to be the case with many minyao porcelains.

About the only things I can't explain away in your plate is what appears to be a greenish hue to the area under the rising outer rim, though absent between the foot itself. Also, the biscuit area of your foot-rim doesn't quite fit my concept of the 18th century average but seems more of a match for the ubiquitous late 19th century low beveled foot with countersunk center. In this same area, the glaze between the foot-rim seems as well to be overly clean and free of glaze skips and other firing imperfections often found on period dishes.

Other than this, the painting and mark are both in the ballpark with my plates, as well as the mark, shown here as seen on another item, a Kangxi-Yongzheng period B&W bowl.

I located another dragon & carp plate, which can be seen at the link, that the seller dates only as pre-1900 Qing dynasty. It's more difficult to judge the shape of the foot on that one, though the color looks a bit odd to me. In any event, I wonder if yours might be a product of the late 19th century Kangxi revival.

Best regards,

Bill H.








URL Title :DragonCarpPlate


Subject:Re: Kangxi dragon and carp plate?
Posted By: JLim Mon, Dec 09, 2013



Dear Bill

Thanks for your comments. It never occurred to me to check the different shade of white between rim and inner-foot - will check with my other Kangxi pieces.

The foot seemed to me to be a good match for 18th century, being well levigated, having the golden glow and the sharp edged "triangular" rim that is of the period. However, if 19th century revival pieces also have these characteristics then I'd like to know.

My own doubts over the piece centre around the lack of any rim-fritting and the curious "shiny" look of the frontal glaze.

However, I also consider that the intense blue of the cobalt is too typical of Kangxi to be a 19th century copy. It could perhaps be a modern copy instead?

Anyone else want to add to this, I'd be very grateful of course.

Rgds
JLim

Subject:Re: Kangxi dragon and carp plate?
Posted By: Victor Judge Sat, Apr 12, 2014

To me this is definitely a Kangxi Export Dragon Carp Dish,congratulations.

Here is my similar piece.

Vic




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