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Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Wed, Apr 16, 2014 First use a few drops of dish-wash detergent in lukewarm water, and soak those beads, maybe use a soft toothbrush to clean them. Depending where you live, if there is a good jeweler, show them to that person, they may know the answer...Jade or maybe Quartz. If that is the right color, then it would be apple green.Check your area for a Jade specialist. |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Super Wed, Apr 16, 2014 Are you sure it was gold thread because it looks like the thread was made of some kinds of fiber? Have you gone to a jeweler and had him tested those golden color beads in between the jade beads? They really do not look like either 18k or 24k gold to me but I can be wrong judging with low resolution pictures only. You would not find any old Chinese gold made of less than 18k gold. |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Gigi Thu, Apr 17, 2014 Thank you both so much! After reading your comments, and taking a closer look-I think quartz makes more sense as well. The gold beads are not beads but strands of gold thread or wire knotted together-I think the thread/fiber you see is underneath the gold wire which is wrapped around the thread/fiber material. So-I'm still curious. I can't find any examples of green quartz necklaces-there are some pink quartz and some aquamarine necklaces but, this is much more primitive than them. I think the gold knots and color make it such a beautiful piece but the way the beads are cut seems crude. I wish I knew more about its history. I will bring it in to get tested just to satisfy my curiosity about the gold. Trying to figure out the age..it literally fell apart when the man I bought it from picked it up to show me-but,it had been in storage for many years so that doesn't mean it is fragile with age. I don't see any quartz pieces predating the 19th century. So, possibly late Qing? Early 20th? |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Gigi Thu, Apr 17, 2014 Here are close ups of a bead after gentle cleaning |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Super Sun, Apr 20, 2014 This is very interesting, because the color of the beads in pictures you first posted are vastly different than that of the bead after cleaning. The color of the beads in your first pictures are celadon (light and pale green), semi-translucent and almost appeared to be dyed. Yet the color of the bead (after cleaning) you posted is dark green and opaque. Judging by the color and appearance of that one single cleaned bead, its material actually appears to be nephrite. Very difficult to pin point its source though. It could come from USA (California or Washington state) or its "plastic" look can show that it may be Taiwan nephrite jade which does resemble plastic. You may want to do a "scratch test" (using a sharp pocket knife or needle to see you may scratch the bead and leave a white line) to confirm it was made of hard stone. I still do not like the corrosion found on its surface though. |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Gigi Fri, Apr 18, 2014 Maybe glass beads?? |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Apr 20, 2014 NO glass bead, not Emerald either, I was thinking about Aventurine quartz... |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Gigi Sat, Apr 19, 2014 Well, I brought it to a local estate jeweler and he thought the beads might be emerald beads? But I would have to have them tested to be sure |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Gigi Mon, Apr 21, 2014 Thank you both! It does scratch |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Gigi Mon, Apr 21, 2014 Thinking Aventurine quartz is right. Am I right in thinking that wasn't used much before the late 19th century? |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Tue, Apr 22, 2014 Scratch test...if it shows white, it is NOT Jade or Quartz (Aventurine) |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Super Tue, Apr 22, 2014 Thanks for doing the scratch test and if you performed it correctly and did see a white line after you scratched it (on its flat surface preferrably), then I am afraid your beads were not made of jade (nephrite or jadeite) or any hard stones including aventurine since it is a type of quartz that has a MOH hardness between 6.5-7.0, therefore cannot be scratched by metal. It also usually has this unique glitter inside it and can be very beautiful when shone with light. In that regard, your beads may be made of some types of soft stones such as serpentine, may be dyed or natural, or even made of plastic (unlikely though because of the corrosion). It will be hard to confirm with low resolution pictures of just one cleaned bead. But like I had said in my previous messages that it was never a good sign to see any types of corrosive surfaces on any jade beads or jade jeweleries. It may also appear that the chance of your thread was made of real gold is just not good, sorry. However, the necklace does appear to be unique and possibly vintage though I do not believe it can be anything other than that of 20th century. Of course I can be wrong. As long as you truly enjoy it and did not overpay for it, then just enjoy it. If you did pay a lot for it and the dealer listed it as jade necklace on your receipt, then you may have recourse to get your money back especially if you paid with a credit card. Either way, best of luck. Super |
Subject:Re: Unusual Green Jade Necklace Mystery
Posted By: Gigi Thu, May 01, 2014 Thank you both so much for all of your help and sharing your knowledge and opinions with me! :) |
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