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does anyone know if this beautiful vase is genuine old the brown in the bottom could not be rubbed is there any other way ?

Mark is Yongzheng and if it's also of the period then your vase is very valuable.

The picture shows a Qianlong vase in a shape similar to yours.

And the link shows a Yongzheng mark and period dish with a similar decoration that will also give you an idea of the potential value of your vase.

Better photographs would be welcome. The trick is to catch the light's reflection in the glaze.

Newer production porcelain usually reflect the light like a mirror and feels smooth, but the copies are getting better and better.





URL Title :Alain Truong blog - Yongzheng Peach Bowl

The pink enamels make me this is republic...Many had apocryphal marks corey

Yes, I know that many republic and antique porcelain items have apocryphal marks and that the original intentions with these was not to fake but to honor a former emperor.

But even if this vase is a 19th - early 20th century copy it will still have good value.

A 19th century - early republic peach vase with apocryphal qianlong mark recently sold at eBay for more than $20,000!

Hi again well I'm aware of the copies . do you know what family rose means ? rose, is a french word for pink . have you looked at the one I suggested ? I think the color and the painting are the same, so all I want to know is the age and how to fund out .

Hi thank you for your reply Well I know more then that If you google chinese peach vases you will see a in exact the same one sold in hong kong auction for $5 million yes $5 million and now the owner donated it to a museum . well someone ask me to try to rub off the bottom to see if recently made but I couldn't you said something about the light I don't know what you mean this one is so thin I can see my fingers trough part of the inside, Do you know any other way to check the age? except see in expert witch I will I will post close up pic soon

Where did you get the vase from. If it has been in your or your family's possesion for more than a couple of decades, then perhaps you should consult an auction house. But like adam says, the mark is most likely apocryphal.

The peach vase I mentioned that sold on ebay is item number 291116549580. The seller was Joanies House Of Treasures. See if you can find it their completed listings.

In the ebay listing of the 19th century peach vase that sold for 30k (not 20k -my mistake) there is a reference to a late 19th century large famille rose 'nine peach' bottle vase with an apocryphal Qianlong seal mark sold at Christie's September 20 2013 - Lot 1437. Estimate was $20,000 - $30,000. price realized was $32,500!

And one sold at Sotheby's Paris December 12 2013 - Lot 147, also with an apocryphal Qianlong mark. It sold for 48,500 euro!

I wish I had bought one of these when they were available ten years ago. The value of these was much lower then.

I have found a yongzheng m&p vase with a foot-ring that look very similar to yours. I don't understand why your vase doesn't get more attention from this boards members.

URL Title :Mark and Period of Yongzheng Vase

have a look at this, another beauty from the same era .

The pink looks differnt to the 18th century pinks and the brushstrokes look not 18th century...
I would say republic..
Remember you are equating the price of this with a 19th century example... Republic is nearly 100 years later...
But to be fair even republic exmples are raising in price

The one at Christie's is dated LATE 19th century while the republic period is 1912-1949, so less than 100 years. But pieces like the Christie's vase are usually dated to late 19th - early 20th century.

I personally think the pink of this vase and the bowl at the alain truong blog looks similar.

Hi Corey I know the color are the same cause I did look at them even the brushstroke are the same. it's all to do with age of the peace look at the today auction CHISWICK HIGH ROAD AUCTION is on the net too. they are selling one, I have look at it, in my hand, it's bigger, heavier and the mark have a large round circles the bottom is dark the same I saw selling for 300 .500 some of them more ,with the same mark underglaze selling today at 6pm

With 300 .500 you mean three hundred thoausand and five hundred pound sterling?

Hi I meant 300 to 500 sterling any way it was sold for only 70 sterling, you could have bet on it on the net. you can still look at it on the auction record go to chiswick high road auction tuesday 17 anyway is not the same as the one I have my vase is soft and light you can even see the painting trough the top have you seen the yellow one ? is the same period too.

The reflection of the light caught in the enemals looks promising. I think you should definately contact someone with expertise in this area. Usually first hand inspection is required for such things unless you have good provenance, but if i'm allowed to give you a personal advise; don't let anyone tell you that your item is fake or repro from a photograph or otherwise. Many people will tell you they are experts, but few of the actually are...

I cannot say anything about the blue an yellow one from the photos alone. But a couple of years ago I picked up a blue and white unmarked kangxi square vase made into a lamp for one hundred kroner in a local flea market. These used to be rather common on the markets, but they are also being faked nowadays. I use it as my bed lamp. I hope to find another one so I can have a pair.

Hi adam thank you for your expert knowledge. I can see what you mean about the color and the brushstrokes, but the problem is, there are many 18th century genuine one on the net and most of them are different in color, do you know how they made the color at that time? I think they ad the white and they use that by hand right ? thank to the net we can all be expert .

I have a better pictures to show you have a look at this

Hi Manny and all,

Sorry a little late (busy,busy ..)
The footrim of your vase isn't the same as the one showed by Corey. Your vase has a stepped (incut) footrim which you can find a lot on Kangxi period vases but there is one difference; the Kangxi ones are more or less squared while yours is rounded. This rounded form is typical for the late 19e century and on. With some rare exceptions apogryphal Yongzheng marks were not used prior to the Guangxu reign.

Regards,

Arjan

I ment to compare the brown ridges along the footring, but thanks for clarifying.

Hi I don't understand what you mean by square, round what are you talking about ? I think this things are don by hand so what that tell|? no one will look the same as the other isn't ?

Hi,

No, sorry, not everything was done by hand and every period had his own shape, designs and characteristics. On the first picture (from J.E. Nilsson) I show you what I mean with a stepped or undercut foot and J.E. also shows why it was done. Just to fit it properly on a footstand). On the second picture I tried to draw a squared and a round footrim. The first as used (mostly) during the Kangxi period, the second during the, so called, Kangxi revival period (late 19th. ct.)

Regards,

Arjan,

Hi again I now know what you mean, but the thing is my vase doesn't have a stepped foot rim it's flat and rounded at the edge and that brown color is age as I tried to clean it off to see if it was made recent, but it did not go I even used bleach . well what about the weight? cause is very light and I can see the painting from the top ,compared to one I saw in auction was heavier and dark inside . what do you know about that? thank you

Hi can you look at this youtube video see one or more vases that have the same round and brown color as my vase, what you think ? your opinion, thank you
(DISCOVERIES OF EMPEROR'S ANTIQUE PORCELAIN COLLECTION) .

Here is the link to the video have a look .

http://youtu.be/C3FESMMrnRU

Thank you for the link anyway. I have reposted it in another thread because in the video there is a bowl similar to one I was bidding on at an online auction, but don't tell the master experts here as it may or may not embarass them ...



URL Title :Old Thread Yongzheng Marked Bowl

Hi Corey I just want to let you know if you are interested in buying some chines porcelain let me know thank you .

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