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Subject:Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: Julia Thu, Aug 21, 2014 IP: 98.163.127.235

Hello!

Here is another set of bowls - beautiful. Does anyone know if this may be antique or a replica?

Thank you!





Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: adam Fri, Aug 22, 2014

Although these are not Qianlong (Likely late 19th century)they should have a good value...The price of Daogang to Guangxu (Even quality republic)ceramics of good quality have sky rocketed recently... Although not reaching the heights of 18th century and earlier pieces, they are no longer cheap items

Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Sun, Aug 24, 2014

The mark is Daoguang (1820 to 1850), not Qianlong, and the bowls are probably of the Daoguang period.
It would be helpful to see the inside of the cavetto.

Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: JLim Wed, Sep 03, 2014



May I respectfully disagree? The reign mark looks stamped to me, and the bowls are therefore modern.

Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Sep 04, 2014

The Opium Wars drained a lot of Qing resources, affecting the flow of government-controlled imported commodities used by commercial porcelain factories during the Daoguang Reign. I believe cobalt was among them. The link below, to images of Daoguang porcelain markings on a well-known website, suggests to me that there's a wide range of differences in how coherent the strokes are among various marks. Makes me wonder if the raggedness in the mark shown here just represents the granular quality of domestic cobalt that the kilns were forced to use on occasion. Only a thought.

Best regards,

Bill H.

URL Title :Daoguang Marks


Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Sep 05, 2014

Further to my preceding post, here are pictures of a 4.5 inch saucer or small bowl decorated for a marriage or anniversary in a famille rose floral scroll with bats, peaches and other flowerheads in the cavetto, while the under-rim scroll has lotuses and other flora in the guise of Chilong, bats, butterflies and additional insects. On the base, a six-character zhuanshu nianhao of Daoguang.

I've heretofore been told and tend to believe this somewhat worn dish is a mark & period piece. Although the mark is overglaze red, it is virtually stroke for stroke the same as the blue one on Julia's bowls. Perhaps this dish might provide some points of comparison with the bowls, such as their enamels and painting styles, though better pictures of the bowls would seem to be needed for that purpose.

Best regards,

Bill H.







Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Thu, Sep 04, 2014

Dear Mr Lim,
Are you having me on?

If these are modern the potter also managed to fake the warping from firing in a wood kiln and the pooling of cobalt at the end of the strokes.
I would still like to see the decoration inside the bowls before passing final judgment, as there is a possibility they were made in the first quarter of the 20th century. But Daoguang mark and period is more likely, so providing they are undamaged, I will offer USD$500, and further research them at my leisure.
Regards
Tony

Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: David Thu, Sep 04, 2014

Hi,
I shared JLim inputs that reign mark looks stamp. Most of the Daoguang pieces I seen uses traditional reign mark, not so fanciful.
Both the flower, leaves, bat are not well-drawn. Probably exportware.

Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: JLim Fri, Sep 05, 2014



What I take to be gaps in the cobalt writing may be some sort of unevenness of materials as Bill H says.

Rgds
JLim

Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: Arjan Fri, Sep 12, 2014

Hi all,

These caps are there and I don't know why but it is handpainted and not a stamp.

Regards,

Arjan

Subject:Re: Chinese pair of bowls with floral design, Qianlong mark
Posted By: Bill H Sat, Sep 13, 2014

This Daoguang-era blue & white bowl has a mark with cobalt that fired almost as spotty, but still is fairly well written by hand. The piece comes from a dealer with impeccable credentials and to me seems to rate among the better quality commercial wares of the period.

Best regards,

Bill H.








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