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Subject:Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Thu, Nov 13, 2014 IP: 87.48.138.98

So there was this auction in Houston recently with a nice celadon archaistic hu shaped vase, Qianlong seal mark and of the period, estimated at $6000 - 8000! I have an identical one in my selection of chinese ceramics. My question is if this could be considered imperial ware?

http://marchantauctions.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co=67611&weid=47771&weiid=16530451&archive=y&lso=lotnumasc&pagenum=3&lang=En

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Nov 16, 2014

Had your vase borne a resemblance to one sold by the Marchant Auction House in London, you'd have a much greater chance of a positive reply to your query, in my humble opinion.

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Mon, Nov 17, 2014

It's identical to one sold by Marchant Auction House in the USA and bears resemblance to pieces sold by Christie's and Sotheby's as you can see in the links I have posted.

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Nov 18, 2014

Attempting to compare items sold by a regional auction house with those vetted by one of the great international auction houses is futile. Many of these regional houses don't really sell such pieces but simply show them as sold at their unannounced reserve price. If all the Houston auctioneer got for the vase was the posted three grand, it doesn't hold a candle to the US$110,900.63 Sotheby's netted for the one sold in Hong Kong (which was the only working link I found from you). In other words, better keep your day job for now.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Wed, Nov 19, 2014

In my opinon both the celadon glaze, the archaistic hu form, the archaistic relief decoration and not least the molded sealmark of Qianlong is very comparable with the pieces sold by Christie's and Sotheby's. Yes, it's true that the Houston vase sold for only $3000 via liveauctioneers and I still regret I didn't bid on it to get the pair. This is a high quality antique chinese mark and period porcelain vase in a specific style that was introduced during the reign of Qianlong.

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Nov 20, 2014

Well, what else is there left to say but congratulations!
BH

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Sun, Nov 23, 2014

Thank you!

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Thu, Dec 04, 2014

Thought I would add a couple more links to this old thread. Really the 3K salesprice does not say much about the true value of these vases. There was another mark and period vase sold by the same auction house that was nearly identical to one at the met! And although I'm not sure, I would guesstimate the true value of that one to be considerably higher than the 5,5K sale price or for that sake the 8K high estimate.

Qianlong vase at Merchant:


http://marchantauctions.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co=67611&weid=41998&weiid=14819806&archive=y&lso=lotnumasc&pagenum=3&lang=En

Qianlong vase at Metropolitan:


http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/47783?rpp=30&pg=18&ft=qing+vase&pos=530
















Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Sun, Nov 16, 2014

Adding an image of my vase to this thread.



Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Thu, May 07, 2015

book cover with dragon design, Qing dynasty
Indianapolis Museum of Art

http://www.asia.si.edu/exhibitions/online/asiainamerica/gallery.html




Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Sun, Nov 16, 2014

And some links to some related vases sold via Christie's and Sotheby's.




URL Title :SOTHEBY\'S HONG KONG 08 APRIL 2009 LOT 1652


Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Mon, Nov 17, 2014

Seems links are invalid. New try!

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2009/fine-chinese-ceramics-works-of-art-hk0300/lot.1652.html

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Sun, Nov 16, 2014

A RARE CELADON-GLAZED ARCHAISTIC RELIEF-DECORATED FLASK

URL Title :CHRISTIE\'S 29 MARCH 2006 LOT 116


Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Mon, Nov 17, 2014

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-rare-celadon-glazed-archaistic-qianlong-molded-seal-4680705-details.aspx?intObjectID=4680705

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Sun, Nov 16, 2014

A RARE CELADON-GLAZED RELIEF-DECORATED ARCHAISTIC VASE

URL Title :http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-rare-celadon-glazed-relief-decorated-archaistic-vase-qianlo


Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Mon, Nov 17, 2014

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-rare-celadon-glazed-relief-decorated-archaistic-vase-qianlong-5776786-details.aspx

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Tue, May 19, 2015

Just adding a note to myself. I spend days searching through the major museums online collections to see if I could find a similar shaped vase with the exact proportions, only to learn that it had been standing right in front of me all the time at the National Museum of Denmark here in Copenhagen, dressed in a uniform dark blue body and a white ribbon around its neck. Then a similar one to that was available at the Marchant january sales, but with a different kind of decoration, Qianlong mark and period, estimated at 6,000 - 8,000 USD. It sold for 240,000.000 USD!

http://marchantauctions.hibid.com/lot/17681383/-1-chinese-porcelain-vase-qianlong-mark-and-period?dateStart=7/14/2012&dateEnd=5/19/2015&tab=0&cpage=2

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Wed, Nov 15, 2017

Leaving a further note to myself as I recently came across a similar shaped vase, mark and period of Yongzheng, estimated at RMB 9,000,000 at Macau CITIC International Auction Co., Ltd:

http://auction.artxun.com/paimai-115856-579277425.shtml

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Wed, Dec 06, 2017

And then finally just yesterday I found an example of an unmarked Qianlong period octogonal celadon vase carved with a archaistic relief decoration that resembles the design of my vase perfectly, estimated at RMB 600,000-800,000:

http://auction.artxun.com/paimai-115107-575532262.shtml

Add a Qianlong seal mark to the base and the value increases 5-10 times. But all in all this corresponds well with my own idea of an appraisal of my vase at roughly 1 million dollars. I'll definitely contact one of the major English houses with this one.

Subject:Re: Qianlong M&P - is this imperial ware???
Posted By: Corey Fri, Dec 08, 2017

I also find it very interesting how the shape of the unmarked Qianlong period octogonal celadon vase compares with a very high value partly celadon glazed octogonal vase, mark and period of Qianlong, sold at Sotheby's in 2015:

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/important-chinese-works-of-art-hk0571/lot.3616.html


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