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Subject:old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: terris Wed, Dec 10, 2014 IP: 74.190.194.138

would appreciate help on this. anybody recognize the who the original artist could be of this copy? sooo many copies so little time. :-)
thanks for looking.
happy holidays to you all!







Subject:Re: old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Dec 11, 2014

The first image contains a seal that reads "Bada Shanren" (八大山人). See the link for additional information on this famed painter of the early Qing period.

Best regards,

Bill H.

URL Title :Bada Shanren


Subject:Re: old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: rat Thu, Dec 11, 2014

don't recognize where the original image comes from, but the seals and signature are meant to be Bada Shanren's (aka Zhu Da), but are not, and Bada never painted this subject.

Subject:Re: old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: Guy Thu, Dec 11, 2014

Both signature 笑之 and seal 八大山人 (Badashan ren) do refer to the famous Chinese painter Zhu Da (1626-1705).
The experts 'things Chinese' could inform us if the painting could be genuine or should be a Chinese (or even Japanese) copy or forgery.

Guy.

Subject:Re: old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: terris Fri, Dec 12, 2014

to Bill H., Rat and Guy...
thank you! bowing to the esteemed panel of experts for the excellent information and leads. so bit of research was in order.it seems the painting probably a 1930's japanese forgery.crazy huh? Zhu Da wow! a fascinating character. thoroughly enjoyed learning about him. terrific painter. love this forum. :-)
again; happy holidays to you all.

Subject:Re: old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: rat Sun, Dec 14, 2014

yes, Guy makes a good point: your figure is much more like a Japanese Bodhidarma than anything else, it could indeed be Japanese. The other character known to cross water on a reed was the Daoist adept Lu Dongbin, but he is always pictured in scholar's garb, not as a monk as here.

Here's a (reversed) closeup of a fan painting of Lu Dongbin from the Boston MFA collection for comparison. http://lapislazulitexts.com/images/150px-lu_dongbin_crossing_r.jpeg

Subject:Re: old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: Guy Mon, Dec 15, 2014

Rat,

Indeed, I think it is a Japanese depiction of 'Royo Daruma' (Daruma crossing the Yangtze River on a reed). Seems that, at least in Japan, the Daruma is rendered both as a monk or as a scholar, and sometimes even as a female character (female Daruma).

The seal (not read) in the lower corner at the right could contain the clue to the original artist.

Guy.

Subject:Re: old ink wash painting of hermit odd mark
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Dec 16, 2014

I'll also cast my vote on stylistic grounds for terris's painting being the Bodhidarma a.k.a. Daruma by a Japanese artist. Here's a Chinese depiction of Damo crossing the Yangtze on a reed painted by a Chinese artist on Taiwan named Keng-yun Kuo (pinyin Gengyun Guo - 耕雲郭). The title of the painting is "Yi Ye Bo Jiang" (一葉波江), Literally "A single leaf on the Surging Yangtze". If I'm reading the two characters after the name correctly as a cyclical date of Gengzi (庚子), the scroll would have been painted in 1960, or about seven years before I bought it from Mr. Kuo in Taichung.

Best regards,

Bill H




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