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Subject:Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Old Chinese Silk Print/Painting Tue, Jan 27, 2015 IP: 24.242.30.152

I'm not so good with identifying these marks and would really appreciate it if someone could help.



Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: j lewis Wed, Jan 28, 2015

Context helps us help you. Can we see the entire thing?

Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Marty Wed, Jan 28, 2015

Here they are in their entirety. There are two of them with the same red seal. This is the first one.





Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Marty Wed, Jan 28, 2015

Here is the second one.

Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Daisy Fri, Jan 30, 2015

I think it reads "lu YeHing" and made in 1947.

Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: rat Sat, Jan 31, 2015

wow daisy, you are one smart cookie.

Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Super Sat, Jan 31, 2015

Just curious, Daisy, how did you translate it as "lu YeHing" and how did you pin it down as being made in 1947? from just the first picture?

Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Marty Thu, Jan 29, 2015

I hope this time you can see the pictures. I can't seem to get them up.





Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Bill H Sat, Jan 31, 2015

After staring at length at the top seal, I believe its characters read down and across from the top right as 穎州廬氏 (Pinyin Ying Zhou Lu Shi). While Ying is a family name, I think it may pair up here to read "Yingzhou", a district at Fuyang in Anhui Province. "Lu" is a thatched hut, and "Shi" is a family or Clan. If I'm correct, the mark would translate humbly in English as "Family in a thatched hut at Yingzhou", otherwise "Family of Ying Zhoulu", with Zhoulu having what to me is a rather unusual meaning for a given name of "Thatched hut on a river islet".

I am still staring at the other seal while hoping for an epiphany.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Feb 02, 2015

I'll go with your version, Super. You have what it takes to look at these things without incurring my kind of eyestrain.

Thanks,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Need Help Identifying Red Seal Mark
Posted By: Super Tue, Feb 03, 2015

Bill, only some time, these days I also have problems seeing anything without my bifocals and admit not as good as Mike oz in translating seal scripts.

Regards.

Super

Subject:頴(穎)州盧氏 競存
Posted By: Super Sat, Jan 31, 2015

First of all, the two additional pictures you posted were both inside out (mirror images). I wonder how that happened?

From your initial picture, the two Chinese characters from top to bottom are:

競存 Jing Cun (probably the name of the artist, without the surname);

Below them is a chop mark of 4-characters (made by concave carving, therefore white scripts):

頴(穎)州 盧氏


頴州 - Ying Zhou, at the right side of the seal, from top to bottom, is the same as the 阜陽市 Fuyang city at the Chinese province of 安徽省 Anhui.

盧氏 - Lu Shi, at the left side of the seal, from top to bottom, indicates a married woman with a surname (from her husband)of Lu, or Mrs. Lu, in this case. Very often, in China, married women would not use their maiden surname in identifying themselves but used their husband's surname instead.

The seals basically says "Mrs. Lu at Ying Zhou".

In the last seal with 2 seal scripts (made by convex carving, therefore red scripts), from right to left are the same two characters as the two handwritten ones on the top: 競存 Jing Cun

In this case, it is not sure what the maiden surname of the artist may be and usually Jing Cun is the name of a man but some time some masculine names were chosen as that of a lady especially in today's China.

I had tried to google a combination of the above names but could not find anything on this artist. Hope this helps.

Super







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