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Any information will help. Don't be shy, how many times have you seem a piece like it? please, after hours and hours, can't get too far away.
1860 looting?
Many pictures from every part, even interior in here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3nj6hxvmujcjydz/AABH0ZzdwXlbysOaw-UfiDz3a?dl=0

Resembles enamel on metal to me, not porcelain.

If you believe in your own story.
Why are you not sending your foto's to Christie's ???????????????

I'd guess nineteen century, but honestly I don't know. This is porcelain, not cloisonne?

Have no transport, just trains, sent pictures to auction houses, they tell you to wait an answer between 2 and 6 weeks.
I wrote yesterday to british museum, i'm waiting for answers.
Made it two weeks ago to some of them with bad pictures, most of them quite interested, but said can't confirmate 18 or 19th by pictures.
found that it is inspired in a first century bronze vase, or i think so.... due the shape and decoration are quite similar and i think it is not decorative, it is ritual buddhist.
found a picture from 1903 with a similar vase in a ceremony celebrated by Dowager.

I'm waiting answers, well....Lars Tharp, said to me that it is late 20th and if i'm lucky i will get 50£...Use this post to make what kind of advice can that man give for a piece of this kind.

that made me investigate myself before giving this to any auction house.

it is porcelain, has 2 metal rings gilt,in bottom and top, but is it porcelain, all the enamel is painted by hand, with many mistakes in the cobalt flowering, the deers, mountains, pine, and prunes are just brilliant.

Cervantes
THe mark says Qianlong.
I know plates in this same style and colors,but in slightly softer colors.
And your vase has a good quality decoration-
Cervantes again sent your pictures to christies ,and they will give the result within two weeks.I've done it several times.
Wil

Thanks Will, yes, it is difficult to find an original piece in the same color,but everything looks from period, as i said, Chirsties has already pictures, and talking with sotheby's too....they said in first instance(with poor quality pictures) that the design appears to be 19th, but wrote to then again, telling from where comes from and better pictures, i got this answer:


Our specialist Stephen Loakes has just responded to your request and would like to enquire whether you would be able to bring your vase into our office on New Bond Street, London, for a first hand inspection.

We look forward to your response.

Soon i will know everything should i post about?

Try also Bonhams (there are more and more a reference for Asian art) or Van Ham in Germany.

Guy.

Congratulations Servantes.
Where do you live.In Spain?
Your name is Spanish i think.
Are you going to Londen with the vase?

Yes, congratulations! This is getting very interesting. Especially the thing a with a similar vase in a ceremony celebrated by Dowager. The term for this type of ware is 'canton enamel'. Can't wait to hear what they tell you at Sotheby's. Good Luck!

Told me that it is not historic, so I said, well, can you help me to determinate when the vase was done or with endings?find difficult to believe it is export or for market, she said to me that once it is historic we could talk about but in this case they can not help me and invite me to leave, asked if they can tell me where Christie's office, i have seen the collaborate some times, but she said again, they can't help you, it is not historic, anyway i have seen sold by christie's with qianlong mark and republic period....I'm still waiting the answer by e-mail from them...I hoe it is soon.

Have read about red tape sales on sothebys....so still need to confirmation by someone what about....

Dont know if trust sotheby's due have no registered precedence, and usually in important pieces they always describe it.

So sad to hear that. But it's positive that they didn't tell you that the vase is fake or 20th century. Did you hear from Christie's?

It is a extremely rare piece from many aspects.

Luckily there are pieces enough published in full detail to can compare every single part and aspect possible, as materials, pigments, methods applied, results of firing, marks, sings of wearing and corrosion, cooper oxide, shape, decoration, historic context, and reason why the vessel was done.

Most of pieces to compare the same results are coming from imperial sales. There is a group of vessels related in many aspects to my vase; most of them sold by Christie’s, each of them unique itself, All based in archaic bronzes, mine has a clearly correspondence too, in this case these canton enamel are sold as not imperial, but my vase is involved in many more story that cleary relates the piece personally to the emperor.
Many enamel on cooper snuff bottles from Qianlong period to compare, vessels from museums and important collections letting absolutely no doubt about the authenticity of the piece.


Motivated by some comments of people who saw the piece and an Article where Cixi’s Dowager appears dressed as Avalokistevara published by the MIT, next to a very similar piece in porcelain with deer and rings on same configuration, more similar than any other that appear to be published, and a piece of paper attached to it making reference to Qianlong’s palace, explaining that probably the pieces are more than decorative, I started a deep research of the meaning.

What I have found is more than impressive and well done procedure, the vase represents the inner and outer aspects of the Kalachakra tantra, the connections between human body and the universe, this tantra is practiced to understand the world as an emanation of your own conciseness to become a Buddha.

A combination of rings, lotus, ruyis, symbols etc. To represent the 6 chakras with a representation of Mount Meru top in the inverted bell body where the navel or chakra of earth is , center of the universe and center of Jamjubdivpa (the rose apple tree where the human, animal and spirits live).

Based on uncountable details in a visual comparison and understanding of the text, it is clearly obvious that the enamelling on the vase is a magnificent resume of a set of 8 Tibetan painting scroll products of the meditation and visualisation of the eighth Karmapa, Mikyo Dorje conserved in the Rubin Museum in New York, kindly translated and published on digital format by E. Gene Smith.


There is details in each part of the vase making more than evident the inspiration, for example the number of the ruyi head bands, at the same time, the double number of peaks, both numbers have a meaning explained in the scroll, as in this example, based on colors, forms, numbers, positions and descriptions, after deep analysis, apart obvious, it is amazing to can see the planning and design to can translate to the vase from the scrolling.

The vase itself represent in hidden and symbolic skilfully procedure methods one of the highest tantra of Buddhism, only accessible completely by some few people during centuries. In the year 1650, the 5th Dalai Lama sealed and banned the study of zhentong, prohibiting the printing of Jonang zhentong texts (A Kalachakra translation and comment) throughout Tibet.

Qianlong emperor, an emanation of Manhusri (Kalki king of Shambala), the only Chinese Emperor that itself as Chakravartin profiled (Ideal universal ruler) quickly learned to read the Tibetan language and studied Buddhist texts assiduously. The accounts in court records and Tibetan language sources affirm his personal commitment.

Considering the singularity of the text, and the many connections with the vase, Qianlong emperor probably designed it as part of the Kalachara meditations, as when working on it, the pattern of the mandala prints in your mind, so you can see it throw visualization while meditating, a practice surviving until present days.

In the actual ritual of Kalachakra, a sand mandala with a very close design in many aspects to the view of the top of the vase is created during days by skilfully monks and them surrounded by sacred and blessed vases around in a very intricate set of ceremonies celebrated during days, not all the initiated people will be finally able to see the mandala and know his secrets, and Kalachakra initiation will be considered just as a blessing. For the initiated able to reach more knowledge is a rule to oath to keep and don’t tell the secrets of Kalachakra, each single object used in Kalachakra rituals are blessed by Dalai Lama, more than 700 deities are called and stay in the place.

Soon on the market!!!

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