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Subject:Small Famille Rose dish
Posted By: GerryG Mon, Nov 28, 2016 IP: 89.126.102.203

Picked this up recently. it is only just over 3 and a half inches in diameter and just over 1 inch in height. I'm guessing early 19th century possibly Daoguang. Any comments welcome.





Subject:Re: Small Famille Rose dish
Posted By: GerryG Tue, Nov 29, 2016

I am now guessing this is more likely Qianjiang style. Would I be correct? Gerry

Subject:Re: Small Famille Rose dish
Posted By: Bill H Wed, Nov 30, 2016

The base-mark is too smudged to make out, but this decoration and palette does suggest that the artist was working in the Qianjiang style and perhaps trying to emulate Liu Yucen (劉雨岑 - 1904-1969) or another of the Jingdezhen group collectively known as the "Eight Friends of Zhushan".

Best regards,

Bill H.


Subject:Re: Small Famille Rose dish
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Dec 01, 2016

After staring at the mark again, I realized you'd shown it upside down. After flipping, it is discernible as "Made inside the Official Kiln" (Guan Yao Nei Zao - 官窰内造). According to "The New & Revised Handbook of Marks on Chinese Ceramics" (2013 2nd Edition) by Gerald Davison, this mark was used in China from the Ming Dynasty onward. Since the Qing Dynasty may have been gone before your dish was made, the mark possibly is apocryphal in my opinion.

Of note, the Guan Yao Nei Zao mark has been seen on some porcelains made in China at the request of various missions sent from Vietnam during the Latter country's Minh Mang reign (1820-1841) and also made subsequently for export there. The Minh Mang-era missions are mentioned by Tran Duc Anh Son in his "Sino-Vietnamese Porcelains in Nguyen Period", Vietnam National University Publishing House, 2008.

I've attached photos below of a 9.4-inch wide blue & white bowl that I believe was made by one of the better Chinese kilns at Jingdezhen for export to Vietnam and other destinations in Southeast Asia the late Qing era. The decoration is the "Star God" motif popular with Chinese Daoists.

Best regards,

Bill H.







Subject:Re: Small Famille Rose dish
Posted By: GerryG Thu, Dec 01, 2016

Thanks Bill H for taking the time to reply.


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