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Subject:Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Wed, Aug 23, 2017 IP: 193.169.154.224 After countless hours of seaerching around on the internet I finally came across a vase with a Qianlong mark that seems to me like near perfect match to the mark of the famille rose double gourd vase that I bought at Altair in 2015 and posted on this board same year. I had the image lying on my personal computer for quite a while, before finally I realized how close they actually are, and that they are likely drawn by the same hand. A real thrilling experience indeed, but since I'm relatively new to this, I would be overwhelmingly pleased if anyone here with genuine insight and experience would like to share their opinon about this. |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Fri, Aug 25, 2017 Because of technical problems with computers, I can only post a very short message. |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Sun, Aug 27, 2017 Two days after posting, and still no replies as usual, even though this is as interesting and promising as it can possibly be. Apparently Wang Mingze is a member of the Chinese Folk Cultural Relics Protection Committee, which should lean some credibility to the pieces on his site (it's always difficult to sort out which informations you get from the Chinese sites that are reliable), plus the fact that we are talking about a vase with a potential to sell for $5 million at Christie's and Sotheby's in Hong Kong, the damage taking into consideration. |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Mon, Aug 28, 2017 I found the link I had in mind: |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: rat Tue, Aug 29, 2017 I don't quite follow all of the various links and posts, can you make a single post to specify what it is that you are trying to demonstrate or ask about? The two Qianlong marks in this thread are similar but not identical (the characters shown in the seal on top has corners that are much more squared off than the one on the bottom), but what does that allow you to conclude? |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Fri, Sep 01, 2017 @ rat. Thanks for the reply. I'll have to follow up on it later, since I've been overly busy lately... |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Sun, Sep 03, 2017 Back in business.Sorry about the delay. What I wanted to ask about, was if someone here could confirm that the two marks are similar in terms of overall "caligraphic style" or overall style of handwritng - like a signature? If they can be considered drawn by the same hand. This would allow me to conclude that the mark of my vase is authentic and therefore that the vase itself is of the Qianlong period. As an example there was a thread on this board earlier regarding a possibly imperial Daoguang marked vase, where Arjan posted an example of a perfectly matching mark. It even turned out that the mark was from the excactly same vase. See link pasted below: |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: rat Mon, Sep 04, 2017 Thanks for clarifying. I'm afraid I can't answer your question. The two marks are indeed quite similar, but they are not identical (particularly in how the corners are handled as I mentioned earlier). |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Fri, Sep 08, 2017 Been severly delayed again unfortunately, and since I'm in a bit of a rush also, I'll just post two examples of seal mark that shares characteristica with the two marks in focus. Then I'll write the comments tomorrow. Board usually doesn't update on weekends anyway, so hopefully this post won't show before I've added them. |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Sun, Sep 10, 2017 Comment's on the two marks depicted in my previous post. In the first mark the overglaze blue enamel (the turquoise color) covers parts of two of the charecters of the underglaze blue mark in the top. This is one of the features the mark of my vase shares with several sealmarks found on authentic Qianlong period pieces. In addition the bottom of the mark is slightly raised above the border between the turquoise enamel and the white glaze. |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Tue, Sep 12, 2017 Correction note: It was the first mark in the top of my previous post that has an extra dot within the 製 character. |
Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: JLim Wed, Sep 13, 2017
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Subject:Re: Comparison of two 乾隆 seal marks. Looks like a perfect match.
Posted By: Corey Wed, Oct 25, 2017 All right! That was a sharp observation because that was exactly the question that was being asked here. But I've got to admit that to me it seems that the differences of the two signatures are rather insignificant, and that it's definitely a possibility that they are drawn by the same hand. But perhaps it's my eyes that need to be sharpened? |
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