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Subject:Unmarked old looking dish with Chinese or Japanese writing
Posted By: Liz Mon, Sep 04, 2017 IP: 2602:304:cf5f:5970:4

Hi. THis dish does not have any makers mark but it has some writing. Would some one please translate the writing or provide some information about the age and origin of this dish?







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Subject:Re: Unmarked old looking dish with Chinese or Japanese writing
Posted By: rat Tue, Sep 05, 2017

The image is labeled as being Tang poet Li Bo, the text describes him. Not dated or signed. Other examples can be seen here: https://www.google.com/search?q=%E6%9D%8E%E9%9D%92%E8%8E%B2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU1IKZrY7WAhUH04MKHcBFAVcQsAQILw&biw=1920&bih=950

Subject:Re: Unmarked old looking dish with Chinese or Japanese writing
Posted By: I. Nagy Tue, Sep 05, 2017

This is my rough translation,
李青蓮   Li Qinglian
Li Qinglian is the art name of Li Bai (Li Po) the
famous romantic poet of the Tang dynasty (8c.)

高力士内 Among the nobles there are
給事于非 some who do not want render their
走相官王 services as officials to the king
公貴戚呼 Public and home elders call alike for
為翁宇文 the old Yu Wen
This is a strophe from a not much knoown Li Bai
poem. (Sorry for the bad translation)
I can't say anything about the age your dish.
With r,egards

Subject:Re: Unmarked old looking dish with Chinese or Japanese writing
Posted By: Liz Thu, Sep 07, 2017

Thank you Rat for providing the link and I. Nagy for the translation.
Some how this is the only plate with subdued colors as if it was burnt....may be it was exposed to too much heat.

Subject:Re: Unmarked old looking dish with Chinese or Japanese writing
Posted By: JLim Wed, Sep 13, 2017



Dear Liz

What a strange melancholic example of Chinese porcelain. I remember reading somewhere that this form of bonbon dish was only fashionable for porcelainmakers for a very short time - maybe the 1860s/70s?

If so, then the effect of the recent Taiping catastrophe might account for the morbid colour scheme and the anti-establishment sentiment in the poem. I don't think it was exposed to heat - I think writing in black on porcelain was a new thing at the time, and perhaps the painter wanted to harmonise?

Rgds
Jonathan

Subject:Re: Unmarked old looking dish with Chinese or Japanese writing
Posted By: JLim Wed, Sep 13, 2017



Liz

On closer inspection, I think you're right. It does look like normal enamel glazes were used, but perhaps too much heat was applied. Very unusual; so perhaps the gloomy appearance was totally an error!

Rgds
JLim


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