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Subject:Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Fri, May 11, 2018 IP: 108.45.137.199 need help at text translation.For age of tablet Zoom on ZhiZheng Text JPG . |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Sun, May 13, 2018 Photo of stele chinese text |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Bill H Tue, May 15, 2018 I notice that a similar stele with different date and content was ignored at this recent auction in Massachusetts. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudint Wed, May 16, 2018 Thanks for the info.According to Harvard Auction Boston MA this stele actually old for $3750.00 + 23% Buyer's premium on Feb 20,2018.https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/59784698_a-blue-and-white-stele-yuan-dynasty-1271-1368. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Bill H Thu, May 17, 2018 After Live Auctioneers revamped their site a few years ago, I continued to use the original online archive portal, which indicates "Lot Passed" without showing competitive bids for any of the items in this sale (I was signed in and could see prices in results for other auctioneers). |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Fri, May 18, 2018 Here is the link clearly showing the bidding on this stele.(scroll down to the bottom of the page). |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Bill H Sat, May 19, 2018 Never had a doubt about what you and I both saw, only wished to alert anyone else who'd stuck with the old live auction website that there might be more than met their eye there. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: peter Mon, May 21, 2018 I'm afraid this might not be what it seems to be. "Epitaph" is written on it, but authentic epitaphs do not normally have written this on the epitaph. Further, most authentic epitaphs seem to be rectangular or round. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Tue, May 22, 2018 Thank you very much for your response. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Wed, May 23, 2018 Putting 2 and 2 together: |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Thu, May 24, 2018 Addressing the specific shape of this stele: |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: peter_ Thu, May 24, 2018 I can see only one image. I would classify this as rectangular, although you are right, the cut corners makes it something else. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Fri, May 25, 2018 Here are some pictures(for the origin of shapes ie:Temple roof fitted on top of rectangular stele) that were included in the post but for some reason went missing. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: peter_ Sun, May 27, 2018 Hi again, |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Tue, May 29, 2018 These pictures were posted for illustrative purpose only to document the cultural/religious/historical adoption overtime of shapes given to material objects.In this case a blue and white rectangular stele with a Buddhist temple roof design. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: peter_ Sun, May 27, 2018 If the bottom picture above is the back of a porcelain epitaph, there is a problem. The larger ones I have seen had no flat back. They had reinforcements. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Thu, May 31, 2018 These pictures were posted for illustrative purpose only to document the cultural/religious/historical adoption overtime of shapes given to material objects.In this case a blue and white rectangular stele with a Buddhist temple roof design. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Mon, Jun 04, 2018 Lot 50 |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Wed, Jun 06, 2018 From Bonhams'auction house description of this blue and white Ming porcelain epitaph stele/tablet,it is crystal clear that their asian art experts should have consulted our "Authoritative" criterias on this post regarding epitaph steles in ancient China as in our example of the blue and white porcelain Zhi-Zheng stele dated 1352. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Sat, Jun 09, 2018 Almost 700 years later to this day,fake tablets/steles with this specific design are still being made in China. |
Subject:Re: Yuan Blue and white stele "Da yuan Guo Zhi Zheng Shi Er Nian"1352
Posted By: Thierry Gaudin Tue, May 22, 2018 Please note that the email address given with this message has an "unable to deliver message"when you try to respond to it.Is it a spam??? |
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