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Subject:hongshan jade
Posted By: alexander Wed, Jan 11, 2023 IP: 2a02:a466:3c7a:1:ada

Here is a piece of what i hope is a genuine hongshan jade piece. It has very old grinding marks like on the pieces of christie's and sotheby's . Can someone translate the symbols?







Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Thu, Jan 12, 2023

I am afraid that you wont get any positives outside of one photo, there is very little in a way of high quality carving,
Ernest

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: alexander Fri, Jan 13, 2023

Oke, i will try better foto's but we have not alot of sun lately. But the carving on the hongshan pieces of christies are also very crude. very well visible on the two cicades from christies.

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Jan 15, 2023

Crude carvings means old for the tourists.
The few known Hongshan carvings are very delicate, fine carved.
Ernest

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Tue, Nov 14, 2023

Crude carvings means old for the tourists.
The few known Hong Shan carvings are very delicate, fine carved.
Ernest

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Tue, Oct 22, 2024

Hi Alexander, are you looking for me?
Are you in Vancouver? BC ?
Ernest
PS please reply

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Wed, Oct 23, 2024

Hi Alexander, are you looking for me?
Are you in Vancouver, BC.
Somehow I couldn't see your response. Thanks.

Ernest
PS please reply

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: alexander Sat, Jan 14, 2023

more photo's







Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: alexander Sun, Jan 15, 2023

probably a replica like most of the time.

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Wed, Oct 23, 2024

I did get the photos,but in cases like this,it has to be a hands on examination.
Please use my email address
Realjade8@gmail.com
regards
Ernest

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Garrett Wed, Dec 25, 2024

Looks like an authentic piece, but most likely not Hongshan, as they did not have a writing system that we know of. My best guess would be Liangzhu culture, though I could be wrong. Many Liangzhu turtle carvings exist, and they did use primitive symbols/an early form of writing.

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Pipane Tue, Jul 01, 2025

From somebody with some experience in the matter.
This piece is not authentic Hong shan period jade and not old, it's consistent with modern average copy. Style is Hongshan but there is a few give away:
- Over all patina
- General shape is off for Hongshan jade: archaic way to carve an object is different from this.
- Very very few known archaic characters on Hongshan jade (and very few publication on these characters) and yours are completely off: size, the fact that there is several characters on one piece, the repetition of these characters, phony shapes and possible interpretation of their meaning, characters carving method is wrong too. = modern tooling.
- last, if you look closely that piece of jade was already calcified before it was carved.. patina appears to be modern: archaic jade calcification doesn't develop this way, logically it should start from the outside not from the inside. Sometime archaic jade can show inner calcification but in that case it would have integrated by the carver into the object meaning (ex keep the calcified part to figure an animal skin).

regards,

Subject:Re: hongshan jade
Posted By: Brian Sun, Jul 06, 2025

This one is easy.

The inscription is Han Dynasty (206 BC - 220 AD).

Modern reproduction? Pretty much not a chance.


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