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Subject:C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2015 IP: 216.251.149.115 Can anyone know what time period or which dynasty is this dragon belongs?Thanks! |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Sep 20, 2015 This looks like an abstract painting...how about a sharp photo?or two... |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: DANNY Mon, Sep 21, 2015 Hi there, Here is 3 more pictures for you to see. Thank you Ernest! I can post some micro pics if you like also. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Tue, Sep 22, 2015 what I see is a modern carving, most likely a Serpentine. do a scratch test |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: danny Wed, Sep 23, 2015 Hi Ernest, this jade scratch glass easily and razor blade cannot scratch it either. I think this one is a Xinjiang Hetin jade and when I strike a lightly it sounds very high pitch. Serpentine sounds very dull. You can take a look at the dissolved Pits, can clearly see mineral crystals inside. I will post some more close up pictures. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Tue, Sep 22, 2015 Danny.. you have a few options.. try to get your money back, or keep those pieces you acquired as study material of what old Jade does not look like. Avoid the person who sold you those carvings and nice stories.Get some good Jade books, study!!! |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: DANNY Wed, Sep 23, 2015 Thank you Ernest! This piece was a gift from a older friends so no money back option!!To see if the jade is real or not I think you need to see, touch and feel the piece as well. Old jade got pulp on the surface and when you touch it, it feels like touching a dry soap and new jade do not have that kind of feel also the knife work is old style and not machine or modern power tools marks. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Super Thu, Sep 24, 2015 When you said "jade is real or not", what exactly did you mean? |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Danny Fri, Sep 25, 2015 I never said my C SHAPE DRAGON was a Hong Shan piece. Hong Shan jade is usually made out of XIU jade which is much softer then Xinjiang nephrite. Shang dynasty jades were commonly made of Xinjiang nephrite and I had been handling nephrite jades over two 20 years. Have you heard about Mr. Ren Nan( www.hswh.com) He is the guy said old jade got pulp and feels like touch dry soap. I am not a big fan of Hong Shan jade. I collect more Qing dynasty jades instead. Confucius says jade have 5 virtues. That jade he talked about was Xinjiang nephrite. In Western Zhou Dynasty Xinjiang jades were very commonly used and it was very good quality. As the matter of fact in 1976 the Fu Hao tomb (Shang Dynasty) was unearth and 755 pieces of jade, mostly were made of Xinjiang nephrite. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Super Fri, Sep 25, 2015 Danny: Thank you for your detailed responses. Please understand that I did not mean any disrespect to either your jade C-dragon or your jade expertise. If I came across too strong, please accept my apology. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sat, Sep 26, 2015 Traveling season. Just in case, I can be reached in Vancouver via email : realjade8@gmail.com before Nov..5th, and after Nov. 16 |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: danny Fri, Sep 25, 2015 Hi Super, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Super Thu, Nov 05, 2015 Just curious, had you ever tested its S.G. (density)? |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Danny Fri, Nov 06, 2015 Hi Super, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Pipane Tue, Jul 01, 2025 Carving lines is a total give away: modern copy. but still nice. Zhou style, still a few give away. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Tue, Jul 01, 2025 Pipane,what are you trying to tell us.Are you still sitting on that Serpentine collection?Are you still in Vancouver B C ? |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Danny Wed, Jul 09, 2025 Hi Pipane, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: DANNY Mon, Sep 21, 2015 This dragon was a white nephrite and the soakage turned the white stone into chestnut color and the eye is like Canadian football and the body is craved with thunder cloud pattern. I am posting some close up pictures of the tool marks for you to see and I hope you can tell me which dynasty this one was made. Thank you Ernest!! |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: j lewis Sun, Sep 20, 2015 Dragon? How on earth can we tell WHAT that is? |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: DANNY Mon, Sep 21, 2015 Hi there, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: DANNY Mon, Sep 21, 2015 Hi Lewis, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Brian Sun, Jul 06, 2025 It's probably from the Han Dynasty (206 BC - 220 AD). It kinda has the look to me. The style might be Zhou or Shang, and perhaps it is indeed from one of those periods. But during the Han Dynasty, people remade jade designs from all the previous periods. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Danny Wed, Jul 09, 2025 Hello Brian, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Brian Wed, Jul 09, 2025 Hi Danny, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Danny Fri, Jul 11, 2025 Hello Brian, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Brian Fri, Jul 11, 2025 Comparing these 3 Han Dynasty artifacts with yours, I think you'll notice a certain similarity. The end of the tail on yours even has a suggestion of that last turn seen on these. The similarity could be just coincidence, or alternately this Han design could've arisen from a Zhou/Shang design in the first place. But I can't shake the notion that the piece you're showing is indeed a Han Dynasty piece finished in the style of Zhou/Shang. This is in contrast to your newly posted piece in another thread (July 9th), which looks bonafide Western Zhou or Shang. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Brian Sun, Jul 13, 2025 I have suddenly shaken the notion that the overall shape is a Han design. |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Danny Sun, Jul 13, 2025 Hi Brian, |
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Subject:Re: C Shaped Jade Dragon
Posted By: Brian Sun, Jul 13, 2025 I'm sorry, what I meant to say is that I've shaken the notion that the overall shape was *originally* a Han design. Clearly, your artifact is a bit different from the Fu Hao artifact, and it's still entirely possible your artifact is a Han piece finished in a Shang/Zhou style. But that may be less likely than I made out before. It's interesting however that, in some aspects, the 3 Han pieces I showed previously seem a little more similar in shape to yours than the Fu Hao piece does. |
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