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Subject:THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Sat, May 25, 2019 IP: 108.24.183.126 The pieces in my Ru/Ju ware collection were hidden away and Qianlong Emperor did |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: Jonathan Sat, May 25, 2019 ???? What is the Point of this long post. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: rat Tue, May 28, 2019 To sell 21st century objects as rare northern Song objects. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: Thomas Mezei Tue, May 28, 2019 Thank you very much - it was an enjoyable and very interesting read, pity the "chinesemasterpieces"link doesn't work. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: rat Tue, May 28, 2019 Here are some videos, apparently featuring the gentleman who submitted the initial post. I don't believe that any of the items in the videos I've skimmed through are genuinely Song, Ming, or Qing as claimed, though he seems quite certain that they are, and that leading museums and auction houses are committing fraud by not recognizing his assertions as correct. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: Larry Tue, May 28, 2019 The OP messed up the link when they posted their thread. Luckily ;-) I recognized the problem and was able to cut and paste some of the URL to look at the site. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Tue, May 28, 2019 additional photos of the three Ru pieces. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Wed, May 29, 2019 It’s fine to be skeptical, but to criticize and pass judgement without any explanation why something is not what it is presented to be just shows a lack of knowledge about the subject. I don’t hide behind a screen name I put everything on the table. I don’t like bashing Museums, Auction Houses or the crony dealers but the corruption is too deep, they control the narrative and market place . Since China has open up and many very fine pieces that have been hidden away have reach the market place. The cabal that is controlling the market are afraid of the criticism and the law suits that may come to bare from collectors that have purchased pieces that have been totally misrepresented by them. Often stated that there is less than 100 pieces of Ru ware that survived, nothing could be further from the truth. The pieces they have catalogued are not Imperial pieces they are merchant wares that were sold to the wealthy merchants only the Imperial wares are rare. They did not use crushed agate in any merchant wares, they say that the agate melted in the glaze because it can’t been seen in their recored wares. Ancient writings about Ru ware state crushed agate was used in the glaze . Only Imperial Ru ware has agate in the glaze and it can be seen with a 20x loupe. My collection proves that everything written about Ru wares needs to be revised. I welcome any expert in Ru ware to sit down with me an examine my collection, so far no one has come forward. They could care less about the historic significance of the most important wares China ever produced Ru Ware. The microscopic photos prove that the pieces are ancient wares, no one can reproduce the cup-rite and malachite corrosion that’s on the fire gilded bands. It is impossible to duplicate these wares the materials, knowledge, skill, spirit required is completely lost in time. Any attempts to reproduce Ru ware would stick out like a sore thumb. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Tue, May 28, 2019 Additional photos fo Three Ru Ware pieces |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: pipane Mon, Jul 22, 2019 The second and third pictures has nothing to do with Ru ware but are Longquan ware, where did you learn it could be RU ware ? |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Mon, Jul 22, 2019 I suggest you invest in some books about Emperor Huizong or go to the library. You obviously don't know your own history. Longquan wares didn't use crushed agate in the glaze.These gilded bands have extensive layered cuprite and malachite |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: pipane Sun, Jul 28, 2019 Thank you for the advice, I've already got books about Ru ware, I actually visited the Ru kiln more than once. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: pipane Sun, Jul 28, 2019 pictures are Ru ware, some from Ru kiln museum.. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Mon, Jul 29, 2019 I have used many of the same photos on my website www.chinesemasterpieces.com I agree that these pieces are ru ware. All the broken shards are of merchant wares.That were sold to wealthy merchants. The piece that has the band was a tribute ware. They cleaned the band of all corrosion. You state that cuprite and malachite test is stupid every one in the art field uses this to determine authentic ancient copper and bronze artifacts. David Scott is from the Getty museum Google Copper and Bronze in art by David Scott. I don't know what you are trying to say about the corrosion but cuprite forms on the band first which is red and green Malachite grows on top of the cuprite. which only occurs in nature it can't be reproduced. The vase from the David collection at the British museum that you show is not that color they play games with the photography and it is a Imperial Ru ware piece the foot ring is not glazed I have added a photo of that piece that shows the actual color. The last piece you have shown is the brush washer Sothebys sold in Hong Kong, this is a flawed merchant ware piece that would have been sold to the population very cheap price. Sotheby's should return the money its a piece of junk. Emperor Huizong was a huge collector and he was captured by the Jin army and died in captivity. They stored his collections in large wooden boxes or crates. these boxes were passed down through the centuries and my collection comes from Emperor Huizongs Collection. Longquan wares do resemble some Imperial Ru ware that I have shown Imperial Ru Ware is much finer than Longquan wares. all the imperial Ru ware used crushed agate in the glaze longquan wares did not. The museums and auction houses work together and they have used the narrative to convince collectors that there are only 100 Ru ware pieces in the world and this is completely false. They are afraid to change there narrative because of all the money they have made from collectors and this will damage there credibility and also the law suits that may come to bare by misrepresenting many pieces they have sold. Also they believe there was other kilns sites that produce Ru ware that have not been discovered yet.I also have Merchant ware Ru pieces which I'll put photos on |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Tue, Jul 30, 2019 merchant ware |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Mon, Jul 29, 2019 Photos of some merchant ru ware they don't have Crushed agate in the glaze. |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: joseph sharon Tue, Jul 30, 2019 Proper color of Vase from David Collection in the British Museum |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: Oliver Watson Tue, Aug 13, 2019 If the Joseph Sharon is the Sharon I think he may be he is well known in New Zealand for selling a large number of fakes to a Maori investor group.He has amassed a very large group of fakes and whether he actually believes these are what he says they are or whether he is just an outright con-man is open to question.If he is the same man whom I knew as Ron Sharon which I think is most likely then he he is a con-man.Well are you the same person? If not I apologise but totally agree with Pip and I have collected and studied Chinese ceramics for over 45 years.I do not understand your outright inability to see what is before your eyes |
Subject:Re: THE TRUE IMPERIAL RU WARE THE EMPEROR HUIZONG COMMISSIONED DURING THE N. SONG DYNASTY
Posted By: Joseph Sharon Wed, Aug 14, 2019 I'm not the person you are trying to accuse me of being. Only fools will rush in with such crap to try to diminish what I"ve showed you. If you have been collecting for as long as you say you obviously haven't learned anything. |
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