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Subject:Yellow ground ginger jar, lion dog, unmarked, 19th or 20th century?
Posted By: Sally Wed, Mar 11, 2020 IP: 90.240.227.161

Hi,
Any thoughts as to the date of this jar? The painting of the dog is quite charmingly naive and not really like anything else I've seen. My guess is no earlier than 19th century but that s a pretty broad margin.
Thanks






Subject:Re: Yellow ground ginger jar, lion dog, unmarked, 19th or 20th century?
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Mar 12, 2020

My experience and information available in Tony Allen's latest book, "Allen's Antique Chinese Porcelain--The Detection of Fakes" points to a Republic Period date of around 1920 or later. Such ginger jars, usually in smaller sizes, were made in great numbers for the decorative wares market. The only ones of that time and later that I've ever seen used for preserved ginger are in the blue and white "Prunus & Cracked Ice" pattern.

Here are some shots of one in a similarly dated jar with famille jaune floral scroll and contending winged "chilong" (immature bifid dragons). It lacks the picket fence diaper around the bottom like yours, but other characteristics of its decorative ground and glaze look to be similar. I actually have another smaller jar with the same type of picket fence ringing the base but less comparable decoration of a plain lotus scroll.

Best regards,

Bill H.







Subject:Re: Yellow ground ginger jar, lion dog, unmarked, 19th or 20th century?
Posted By: Sally Fri, Mar 13, 2020

Thanks Bill, I can see the similarities between the two jars. I see the inside has quite a lot of black markings, is that a characteristic helpful in dating Chinese ceramics ? The book you quote sounds very useful.
Thanks again
Sally

Subject:Re: Yellow ground ginger jar, lion dog, unmarked, 19th or 20th century?
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Mar 13, 2020

My guru Tony Allen has reiterated recently in his aforementioned book on fakes that kiln grit, which is the problem inside my ginger jar, is one indicator of late nineteenth century Chinese porcelain that modern replicators of antique wares have yet to emulate. In 1855, the Taiping Rebels seized the kiln center of Jingdezhen and managed to destroy it before it was recaptured by an imperial army the next year. The damage was so severe, that it took about a generation for the porcelain industry to recover fully from it. Kiln grit was one of the more visible symptoms.

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Yellow ground ginger jar, lion dog, unmarked, 19th or 20th century?
Posted By: SallySam Sat, Mar 14, 2020

How fascinating , it's always interesting to link history to a physical item, and it's very helpful information towards ascertaining dates. Thank you

Subject:Re: Yellow ground ginger jar, lion dog, unmarked, 19th or 20th century?
Posted By: john Sun, Mar 15, 2020

Just reading random posts. Great Info / History Bill. Learning Everytime I read a post of yours. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.


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