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Subject:Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: Monique van Bolhuis Fri, Oct 20, 2017 IP: 217.104.21.238

This scroll I bought recently, it seems to be hand painted, but maybe it is a replica seeing the edge? And does one of you know the maker? Thanks! MoMo







Subject:Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: I. Nagy Sun, Oct 22, 2017

Reading of the inscription,
田丹水月  徐渭 Tiandan Tianyue (Water and Moon of Cinnabar Fields) Xu Wei
Seal,
徐渭七十二 Xu Wei 72 (Years old)
Xu Wei (1521-93) a famous painter of the Ming
Dynasty.I think your scroll is a museum reprint
version.

With regards,
I.Nagy

Subject:Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: rat Sat, Oct 28, 2017

Fantasy piece, not a replica. As I. Nagy posted, the name signed to this picture is Xu Wei, a well-known Ming painter. However the inscription on your scroll is not in Xu's handwriting, and no landscape by Xu survives. As far as we know, Xu painted only plants and animals. Your picture is a recent creation imitating Song dynasty-influenced Ming paintings but in a contemporary version of traditional style. (sorry if that sounds confusing)

The painting called "Autumn Colors among Streams and Mountains" in this exhibition is a Song dynasty picture of this sort: http://theme.npm.edu.tw/exh106/treasure/en/page-2.html#main

Here is an exaggerated version of where the mountains in your picture originate, another Song painting attributed to Jing Hao:
http://www.chinaonlinemuseum.com/resources/Painting/JingHao/kuanglu.jpg

Subject:Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: rat Sat, Oct 28, 2017

"Waiting for the Ferry on an Autumn River" in the same exhibition (http://theme.npm.edu.tw/exh106/treasure/en/page-2.html#main)
is a Ming dynasty version of the themes in your picture

Subject:Re: Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: MoMo Tue, Oct 31, 2017

But I think the edge is so strang. You can see the painting than blank paper and then a glued paper edge. Did the painters lay a piece of wood over the paper to capture it?

But nice to know the painter, he was really special, a replica or not.

Subject:Re: Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: rat Wed, Nov 01, 2017

Traditionally, Chinese paintings are mounted by first backing them with a thick paper, and then frequently with silk borders pasted around on all sides. Your picture appears to be printed on a white sheet of paper and then bordered with a blue strip of paper. Here's a youtube video about the traditional mounting process. See from around minute 4 for the cutting and gluing of the decorative borders around the picture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8_jZtq-p5Q

Subject:Re: Re: Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: MoMo Thu, Nov 02, 2017

Thanks, nice to see. But my piece is not an old work :)

Subject:Re: Re: Scroll is it a replica
Posted By: rat Fri, Nov 03, 2017

right, I just wanted to indicate the sort of traditional scroll your picture is trying to replicate. enjoy your painting


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