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Subject:common sense about Chinese antiques
Posted By: Mr. zhu Tue, Nov 20, 2007 IP: 67.188.123.189

First,
For the United States of collectors, many people will wonder: Why are there so many antiques were sold on the EBAY. Course, many people know that there are a lot of the imitation. It really is very much. Why are there so many really antiques? Because China has a large population, a long history, and the attention of those who died.
For many Americans, China's history is a mystery, even to many Chinese people speaking as well. Chinese characters have been 3000 years history, and the more ancient prehistoric cultures, since 7000-8000, and perhaps a few years will be verified is 10000 years. Because there are a few important archaeological projects in progress, archaeological experts are now speculating that the archaeological excavations at the scene than the 7000-8000 years ago is the Erlitou culture even earlier. Interested persons can enter the following official Chinese website (http://www.kaogu.net.cn/).
Recent archaeological and biological research achievements: modern humans from Africa several million years ago has never walk, access to China's primitive people divided into two parts, one is from the north of Xinjiang / Russian / Mongolia in, the other from the South to the countries of south Asia, and then into the middle of the Central Plains. Perhaps a third, they climb over the Himalayas into China's south-west of a Great Plains - Chengdu Plain (Perhaps this is the Sanxingdui culture and the origins of culture Sands).
However, all access to China's original inhabitants share a common love - jade. The jade stone is never isolated the essence of the history of Chinese jade history. You can imagine in 8000 which China is the number of inhabitants? Each one of the number of pieces of jade? Nobles also possesses many of them of jade. It can be said that in China, everyone as long as you������digging, they will find historical relics. The Chinese people's own ancestors and is very important to respect the (life three major birth / marriage / death), the legacy of history and preservation will be a lot better. Nearly 20 years China's economic development, so that the whole of China as a large construction sites, dug in the ground everywhere, everywhere archaeological discoveries.
Speaking for collectors, antiques is how sample processing? Grasp how China stone (jade) and the value of maintaining the principle? There. . . . .

Secondly,
As is known to all, China's economy is rapidly developing, and the people's income has increased significantly, China has a lot of rich people. And these rich people and all the world's wealthy, they very loving Antiquities. This is all you can in the world at large auction their presence, and their emergence antique auction transaction prices rose by 10% -15%. This is the world as the Chinese are buying oil, ores, metals, food and so on.
Of course, our concern is how we grasp the principle of jade collections, and collections so that we can appreciate the jade future. China's well-known experts in the common advice is: If you want to Join a jade, pay respects to somebody the following principles:
1, If you want to Join a jade, pay respects to somebody the following principles: Do you think this jade very pretty, but because you love it and pretty, and you would think that beautiful future. If corrosion serious calcification, defect, it will be reduced as the beautiful.
2, it has a good-yu jade quality (that is, high hardness, good transparency, good����, and color). HEITIAN JADE (NEPHRITE) is the most representative and best. You know jade stones valuable than that.
3, pieces of jade ornaments clear characteristics of the times (both representative), but scarce. Such a jade Academic research value. Instead, much of the world volume, the value will be low.
4, This jade era is long, and the more valuable the more ancient.
Here we must note that the sequence of these four principles are particularly important. If you buy a jade, the fourth point, as the primary consideration, it is very likely to buy fake or spending more money.
But more people would like to know is, how to judge a jade is primitive, ancient or modern imitation products. For such a problem is more difficult.
Our proposal is:
1, you have to to the museum, especially to China to see, because China and the United States on display at the Antiquities and the Antiquities and the state and surface treatment is different.
2, you have to read books.
3, you have to a master Baidoa, under the guidance of the master purchase antiquities, but between the master and you can not do business (which is China's principle).
4, after a period of time, you need Another mentor.
Third:
In today's world of the Internet to link the people of the world together. China is the same, there are many antique Forum. Inside the Forum in China, many people entered the fake experts write something, and their real aim is to sell things to you directly, or to some businessmen when asked (you to his relatives or friends where to buy things). China experts now busy writing archaeological research papers, postgraduate education, school teaching, engaging Identification (This is a very profitable work, to identify a Antiquities to earn 600-2000 yuan). Therefore, the Chinese experts is no time to carry out his identification and access to popularize knowledge of Antiquities. No special relationship you can not see the experts (experts in China is a very special characters)

Subject:Please explain more
Posted By: Bill Sun, Nov 25, 2007

Hi, Mr. Zhu:

You bought up some very wise points here but I would like to ask you to explain the following points in order to understand what you are trying to say:

"1, If you want to Join a jade, pay respects to somebody the following principles: Do you think this jade very pretty, but because you love it and pretty, and you would think that beautiful future."

Do not understand this first part. Please explain.

"If corrosion serious calcification, defect, it will be reduced as the beautiful."

Are you saying a collector should not buy any jades with weathering, calcification or corrosion because these are defects that will reduce the beauty of the jade pieces?

2, it has a good-yu jade quality (that is, high hardness, good transparency, good����, and color). HEITIAN JADE (NEPHRITE) is the most representative and best. You know jade stones valuable than that.

Are you saying that a collector should only buy Hetian jade pieces? How do you decide if a jade piece is good quality - how hard, what color. What about xiu yu (xiu yan jade; serpentine), can it be considered good jade? Also, one simply do not see too much transparency in nephrite jades.

3, pieces of jade ornaments clear characteristics of the times (both representative), but scarce. Such a jade Academic research value. Instead, much of the world volume, the value will be low.

Do not understand this. Please explain.

4, This jade era is long, and the more valuable the more ancient

Do not understand this either. Please explain by using examples.

Thank you very much.

Bill

Subject:Re: Please explain more
Posted By: Anita Mui Thu, Nov 29, 2007

Dear Zhu

You said "Recent archaeological and biological research achievements: modern humans from Africa several million years ago has never walk, access to China's"

Are you insane? millions of years ago human being were monkeys or micro organism in the sea.

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Humans, or human beings, are bipedal primates belonging to the mammalian species Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man" or "knowing man") in the family Hominidae (the great apes).[1][2] Compared to other living organisms on Earth, humans have a highly developed brain capable of abstract reasoning, language, and introspection. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees their upper limbs for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other species. DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about "200,000 years ago",[3] and they now inhabit every continent,

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
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The only way to get to nowaday China is not only climing "Himalayan Moutain".

Chinese Civilization is not stand alone or made it by themself civilization. There are some links to other civiliztion that are missing.

Watch:
Tocharians - Civilization Bearers to the Chinese (Part 1/6)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS_Mt_hseNA&feature=related

Have fun
Anita Mui





Subject:Re: Re: Please explain more
Posted By: pierrevdw Fri, Nov 30, 2007

Hi Anita,

With all respect, I don't agree with you as far as the origin of the Human species is concerned.

The theory of evolutions doesn't stand much these days.

The cockroach is still a cockroach, even after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
A crocodile is still a crocodile, even after millions of years of excistence.
And a monkey is still a monkey.

To pretend that a certain type of monkeys became suddenly a human being is, in my mind, sort of out of the evolution context. (But it solves many problems and answer many questions.)

Out of the trillions of living cells/creatures, etc...only one became "intelligent" and all the others remain "living things"?

Why can't the "human" be a species on it's own?

Did God created the Human or is it the human who created God, that's the question I'm posing myself. (And not ready yet to find the right answer...)

Just some food for thought.

Have a nice day,
Pierre.

Oh, by the way, they have just found out (DNA) that the native Americans originated from Siberia.
Siberia, close to Mongolia, close to China etc...
(pic of chinese "totem")











Subject:Please explain more
Posted By: Anita Mui Fri, Nov 30, 2007

Dear Pierre

Thanks, you are right, Human beings is not from monkeys. Some animals just stop their evolution there since millions of years..why? Sorry, I went too far sometimes.

Does god really exist? and where do we go after death?

I posted about Paleoamerican Origins done by Smithsonian Ins. before.

http://www.si.edu/Encyclopedia_SI/nmnh/origin.htm

And you may watch Maritime Culture, Hemudu and Liangzhu Culture from below links:

Lost Maritime Cultures: China and the Pacific - Part 1&2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INgAJxlYS_8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtlmi0NJEXI&feature=related

Have fun
Anita Mui

Subject:Re: Please explain more
Posted By: pierrevdw Sun, Dec 02, 2007

Dear Anita,

"Does god really exist? and where do we go after death?"

If only I knew !!!

Regarding the second part of your question, if you have time, read this book: "Only love is real" by Brian Weiss. Interesting.

Have a nice day,
Pierre.


Subject:Re: Re: Please explain more
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Sat, Dec 01, 2007

Quoted from Pierre:
"Oh, by the way, they have just found out (DNA) that the native Americans originated from Siberia.
Siberia, close to Mongolia, close to China etc...
(pic of chinese "totem")"

I took some American History in the early 1970's, and I read about how the people who were originated from the Yellow River region(that included the ancestors of Chinese,Korean, and Japanese)walked across Nowadays' Behring Strait to North America when the 50 miles Strait was still frozen at the end of Ice Age. The Siberian Scythians population in the area of Tuva which is slightly North of Mongolia is a mix of Caucacoids and Mongloids(After Genghis Khan, Mongloids became the majority.) The Chinese had a maritime expedition befoe Tang Dynasty to Fusang(America). They landed at the coast of California and they went down to Mexico. There were also ocean trading between Chinese and Japanese with the Native Americans before and around Tang Dynasty.

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Please explain more
Posted By: pierrevdw Sun, Dec 02, 2007

Dear "wingchuntaiji",
Yes, you are right about the origins of American Indians.
You stated previously about this Tang Dy. expedition that ended up in California+Mexico. Is that fact being recorded in the Chinese history books from that time?

Subject:Re: Please explain more
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Sat, Dec 01, 2007

Dear Anita,

Your information has been outdated! I know of the 400,000 years old Peking Man that was discovered around Beijing area. I had a picture with the famous Peking Man cast next to my head in 1992.

Lucy was discovered in Ethiopia in 1974. It was at first thought to be of 900,000 years old, but it later on was confirmed to be 3.2 million years old. There was a flat-faced homino even older than Lucy.
Two major discoveries in Kenya have added to the debate about the human family tree. In October 2000 the Kenyan Palaeontology Expedition, composed of Kenyan and French scientists, discovered 13 fossil fragments in the rocks of the Tugen hills. These rocks are known to be six million years old, and if the Orrorin tugenensis is recognised by the scientific community, it will become the earliest example of bipedalism yet discovered. At the moment Ardipithicus ramidus, dated to around 4.5 m.y.a. (million years ago), holds this title.

At first I thought of what I read about the migration of human from Africa to the Middle East, and from the Middle East to Indochina/Himalaya. About 50,000 years ago, some migrated to Mongolia and settled at the Central Plain of Henan. Some traveled to the South East side of China. Another branch from Indiochina/Himalaya branched out to Malaysia, Borneo, and Australia.

But, I read of some latest discovery that made me reconsidered what composed of China's indigenius/aboriginal people. I 'll post that in the next message.

Subject:Earliest Chinese???
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Sat, Dec 01, 2007

Fossil of Pre-historic Elephant Unearthed in China
Chinese archaeologists recently found the fossil of a mastodon, a huge ancestor of the modern-day elephant, in a cave in Fanchang, east China's Anhui Province, which is recognized as the place where the earliest man in Asia lived.

With well-preserved dentes incisivi, cranium, vertebra and shank, the fossil is thought to be the most complete mastodon unearthed in Asia.

However due to either the effects of lime or to a heavy weight on the body, the fossil of the 14-year-old animal has become flattened.

Archaeologists from the China Academy of Sciences say the discovery should contribute much to the field of paleontology, climatology and paraecology.

Large-scale excavation of the cave has found fossils of advanced primates and stone- and bone-ware thought to be hand-made, dating back more than 2 - 2.4 million years. These fossils are said to be the earliest human cultural relics yet found in Asia.

Subject:Re: Earliest Chinese???
Posted By: Anita Mui Sat, Dec 01, 2007

Dear Randy

Thank you for your updated info.

But Mr.Zhu said "modern humans from Africa several million years ago." I think modern human means Homo Sepiens (200,000 yrs ago) not Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis, an extinct hominid which lived between 3.9 and 2.9 million years ago.)And/or Peking man (Homo erectus.The finds have been dated from roughly 250,000-400,000 years ago in the Pleistocene.)

Have fun
Anita Mui


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