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Subject:Rebuttal to the anonymous person
Posted By: Lloyd Matheson Wed, Mar 19, 2008 IP: 66.32.79.22

To the anonymous person who categorically dismissed the wonderful asian collection that is advertised in a press release within the Asian forum, please read our reply: Mrs. Watson was a very intellectual and monied woman who was always advised by leading experts when buying and was, in many cases, made aware of highly important pieces that became available.

She purchased items from C.T. Loo, Aladdin Gallery, and Madison Avenue Dealer Eric DeKolb who also sold many items to Jackie Kennedy.

In the future, you should probably refrain from making sweeping negative generalizations without seeing, in person, the items you are commenting
on. Mathesons' AA Auctions

Subject:Re: Rebuttal to the anonymous person
Posted By: PyroManiac Thu, Mar 20, 2008

My reply to your previous post may be rather abrubt so I decided it would be best to explain my position and your position.

A long long time ago when eBay was first launched, many peddlers of fake antiques started to sell their fake wares in the eBay antiques section. The customer base was huge and their fakes were selling for high prices. The fake sellers were laughing all the way to the bank. It was a good time. But then the buyers started getting a bit wiser after having their fakes authenthicated as fakes by many museums and auction houses. Getting burned was no fun at all. Soon the fake sellers started to get a reputation as fake sellers and customers stopped returning. They had to peddle their wares with a different market strategy. They then came up with the low final price but then hit the seller with hidden charges and absurdly high shipping charges where they made their money. They also started to let others sell their wares using the other sellers name thus hiding themselves.

One popular method these days is to consign thier fake wares to smaller regional auction houses complete with a fabulous provenance and history of some widely traveled rich person to go with thier fakes. Why smaller auction houses? Because these smaller auction houses seldom have the expertise and knowledge to authenthicate Chinese ceramics. Unlike their larger counterparts in New York or some other large cities. So these fake items are auctioned as real antiques and hope to hook a seller who thinks that they have hit the jack pot in this small regional auction house who's not too wise to sell these valuable "antiques" here rather than in a larger auction house. So they bid with money in their eyes thinking they have a wonderful deal. Little do they know....

Also I do not know you or your company. Your eBay ID is brand new. I do not know if you are the owner of the items or a real auctioneer and are selling the items as a consignment. If you are the owner, then I'm sure you already know the items are fake. However if you are really an auctioneer and are selling the items for one of your consigneers, be forewarned. It is you who is the seller. So if a purchaser take his fake antique to be authenthicated at a respectalbe authority and it turns out to be a fake, it is you and your company that will get into trouble. Your consigneer is long gone with his money. A good reputation is very hard to build but can be destroyed very easily! I'm simply letting you know this. The ceramic items you have for auction are fake. And if you sell them, be prepared to face the music with the purchaser if they take the purchased items to be looked at by larger auction houses as they often do.

Subject:Re: Rebuttal to the anonymous person
Posted By: Cal Thu, Mar 20, 2008

Mr. Mathesson,

Mr. C. T. Loo did handle some wonderful objects. Which of the items you are selling were bought from him, and are they accompanied by original and verifiable sales receipt with identification guarantee?

Wealth or purported wisdom of collector do not make object authentic. Firms from whom collector bought other object do not make object authentic. Amount collector paid for object not make object authentic. Place object exhibited does not make object authentic.

Object tells own story in paste, glaze, size, form, decoration.

Good luck,
Cal

Subject:Re: Rebuttal to the anonymous person
Posted By: Another Anonymous Person Thu, Mar 20, 2008

FYI... People with less money to burn spend hundreds of dollars on Ebay for reproductions.

Subject:Re: Rebuttal to the anonymous person
Posted By: PyroManiac Sun, Mar 23, 2008

Oh and another thing I should add for clarity's sake. NOT all of your offerings are fake. Like the Thai market Benjarong bowl and some of your earlier celadon pieces are real. Better than all fake. But then where does that leave us? Now you have a collection that are mostly fakes but seeded with a few authenthic items. The real items are of a lower value and more common. What we have here again is very typical of "collections" offered by fake sellers. Select a group of fake items, sprinkle a few lower value more common real items into the collection and then hope that these real items will "help" with the authenthicity of the rest of the "more valuable" items on offer. As you can see on this collection, the fakes are all high value items, the real one, of lower value.


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