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Subject:fish bowl
Posted By: Luis Fri, May 16, 2008 IP: 83.40.136.122

Dear Forum: Could you, please, give an idea about this fish bowl? It is 34cms. high and 36 cms. wide. Not far from the mark there is a number seven surrounded by a circle. Is it an indication it was made for export? As some of the glazes are black and rose, which family belongs to?
To me, no matter the value, is quite a big achievement to control the glazes without any running in such a big pot with so many diferent slant angles. Thanks again for your kindness.





Subject:Re: fish bowl
Posted By: Arjan Fri, May 16, 2008

Dear Luis,

The mark reads (when you put it upside down) "Da Qing Tongzhi nian zhi" (Made in the great Qing perode during the reign of emperor Tongzhi, who reigned from 1862 till 1974). But I think it's not made during that periode but was made somewhere in the 20th century. I think the emperor would'nt be happy with that number 7 on it what is (what I think )just a modelmumber. About the family.....when you take it strictly; famille verte, noire and jaune should be Kanxi and famille rose should be Youngzheng or Qianlong. Its not only the color what's make the difference but also the kind of enamels (translucent or opaque). Everything made after these periodes are "in style of". The first thing I notice when I see your bowl/pot is the black background so I would call it (in style of) famille noire(black). So, now waiting (with you) for some other opinions.

best regards,

Arjan

Subject:Re: fish bowl
Posted By: Cal Sat, May 17, 2008

Yes is modern export. More likely planter to hold pottery flower pot.

'Family' idea invented by 20th century collectors for 18th century wares. With black background called 'famille noire'.

Correct description is enameled porcelain or stoneware.

Good luck,
Cal

Subject:Re: fish bowl
Posted By: PyroManiac Sat, May 17, 2008

I guess you can call this famille rose. Some prefer the term "fencai" as they prefer famille rose to be reserved for 18th century wares. As for the age, I'm afraid it's a modern decorative item.


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