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Besides all the information about jade that is presented here, everybody puts all doubts aside when it comes to expert names like Gu Fang. But there are not only fake jades but also fake experts. There is a young Gu Fang who is a member of the jade research society which is a private organization. This guy earns money with his name but he is not the real Gu Fang. The real one is an old man and would never work together with fake jade sellers.People like Gu Fang or Yang Boda are far away from that.
Frank

Dear Frank

Thank you.

Do you have more information of this scam?

Have fun
Anita
translucentworld.com

Hi, Frank:

While I cannot rule out the possibility that there may be two Gu Fang and both are "jade experts" in China, only one is real and the other is fake, just like you said. However, if you search for information regarding 古方 (Gu Fang) the jade expert in China, it seems you would only be able to find information on only one of them who had appeared in Chinese TV shows, Chinese web sites, Chinese magazines and newspapers, where he talked about jade carvings. I wonder if one of them may be a "hermit" because I cannot find information on two "Gu Fang" who are both jade expert in China.

I also do not understand what your definition of "old" and "young" is. In the States, to be considered as a senior citizen one would have to be at least 55 years old. The Gu Fang on whom I could find information on was born in 1962, that will make him about 47 years old, surely not old enough to be called "OLD", does it?

Therefore, do you mean this 47-year old Gu Fang who was known everywhere in China as a jade expert is the young fake jade expert mentioned by you in your message?

In the Paragon book gallery:

http://www.paragonbook.com/html/powersearch/searchresults.cfm

There are two titles of jade books that are written by Gu Fang and they are:

中國出土玉器全集(15 Volumes) 古方
Zhongguo Chutu Yuqi Quanji (15 Volumes) The Complete Collection of Jades Unearthed in China (15 Volumes)
Gu Fang Item # 32251 ISBN 7030160096 Price: $1,350.00

中国古玉器图典 古方
Zhongguo guyuqi tudian The Pictorial Handbook of Ancient Chinese Jades
Gu, Fang Item # 33756 ISBN 9787501018758 Price: $85.00

Unless proved otherwise, I have to assume both were written by the same Gu Fang.

I did not have the pleasure in owning the first title.

However, I did have the second title and it was a very informational jade book (dictionary). Unfortunately, it does not post a picture of Gu Fang.

However, on every single link that shows the picture of the young (47 years old) Gu Fang, they all listed the second book as a book written by him.

http://www.jades.cn/newartist/mingjia.php?artistid=11

(see picture 1 posted here)

Now a Chinese book site that was selling the 15 volumes of jade books edited by him (see first title above) also had another book written by him with his picture on its front cover and it looks like the young 47-year old Gu Fang to me.

http://www.readbuy.cn/product/product_373290.html

(see picture 2)

Another web site also lists Gu Fang as born in 1962 and his picture looks very similar to others listed in the two aforementioned links:

http://zj.cangcn.com/u/4210/profile.shtml

(see picture 3)

Now if go to this link:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODEyODcxNDQ=.html

and left click on the RED arrow, you will be able to see him appeared on CCTV2, appraised a piece of jade carving. Again, the young Gu Fang appeared on the TV looks just like the picture of the young Gu Fang appears on other links, not the OLD Gu Fang mentioned by you.

You can also see his picture and bibliography in these other links:

http://www.mr699.cn/html/586.html

http://baike.baidu.com/view/115594.htm

They all seem to show the same young 47-year old Gu Fang with a chubby face.

Now where is the OLD Gu Fang, the real jade expert, you talked about in your message?

Of course, it is quite possible there may be indeed another Gu Fang, the real jade expert in China, just as you claimed.

But is he the person who wrote or edited those jade titles I had shown here earlier?

Why no information could be found on him?

From the few jade collectors whom I had talked to, they seemed to believe the Gu Fang whom they had met and who had authenticated and issued a COA for the jade carvings they own or bought is the same Gu Fang who appeared in all these other links.

May be they are all wrong and you are right?

Quite possible, but very unlikely, in my personal opinion. Of course, if you would be kind enough to post credible evidence here, I will stand corrected.

I just wonder how come a person who resided in Germany would know so much about real Gu Fang vs fake Gu Fang in China? Or are you just pulling our legs?

Cheers.

Bill

I found this link of an appraisal center listed Gu Fang as one of their expert appraisers:

http://www.hongxujd.com/Indexe/Indexe2.asp

The description for him is:

"Chinese jade identification expert; Chinese
Cultural Relics Society Jade Committee Associate Secretary General;Beijing Jade Culture Research Center Researcher,to researched Chinese ancient jade Archaeology, Monographs such as ,< The Complete Works of Chinese Ancient Cultural Relics (Jade Part)>,< The Complete Works of Chinese Unearthed Jade >,and so on"

(1)http://www.findart.com.cn/ba4fd631fd8eff04a3e1b4f060463baaaaa5e1e62f74ec6e7920965a625f1fe6-2-showorder.html?key=&npage=1

(Picture 1)

(2)
Gu Fang interviewed on TV with his new book (15 volumes) shown there and the transcript (in Chinese) of his interview:

http://star.51uc.com/news/2005-10-17/495.html#

(picture 2)

(3) Another link with his picture:

http://big5.sc001.com.cn/news.sc001.com.cn/person/detail_news.asp?id=92055

(picture 3)

Bill

This link lists Gu Fang's photo, bibliography and a list of his most important works regarding jade. The 15 volumes of jade books are listed in this list, there is no doubt that this YOUNG Gu Fang is the editor of the 15 volumes of jade books valued by many jade collectors in this forum and other jade forum including Anita.

http://big5.cctv.com/gate/big5/space.tv.cctv.com/article/ARTI1255056374737403

Would the OLDER Gu Fang please stand up!

(see pictures posted here)

Interestingly, according to Mr. Frank, the OLD Gu Fang is the real McCoy (real jade expert) while the YOUNG Gu Fang is the fake jade expert.

Accidentally, I had found a really old Gu Fang in the listing of an eBay jade carving: item #230398694563

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230398694563&ih=013&category=149363&ssPageName=mem_guide:2&rd=1

The dealer described him as:

"Appraiser: Gu Fang is famous for jade identification, and jade engaged in research for several decades. and has been committed to this ancient jade research on the "religion" of systematic knowledge. Over the years, he has handled over 100,000 cases of the jade. These pieces of jade, apart from Beijing's Palace Museum and Heritage shops throughout Tibet, The collection also includes a large number of private goods and handing objects unearthed in recent years, has a wealth of practical experience, though everyone. Over the years, he has studied a large number of ancient documents, inspection of archaeological data, sorted out a jade identification system. Humble and sincere character weeks old, when he had studied the tireless pursuit of jade, so loud admire the way."

I assume the picture of the OLD guy (he really looks OLD, even to me) must be Gu Fang?

(see picture posted)

Now would this Gu Fang be the real jade expert mentioned by Frank?

You be the judge!

Bill

Bill

The real jade expert "Gu Fang" is older than me. I called him an old Buddha.

The old man Frank said about, how on earth I know that he is that "old"!

And where is the post that I said white nephrite, and after scratch test it prove to be white marble?...where is it?

FYI
Anita

http://asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=27202

�Dear Robert

This rabbit can't walk!

I love it, it is a big and beautiful greeny white mutton fat nephrite. However, the color is uneven with too many viens. The ancient people will cut the ugly part off.The whole piece of stone can be use only few square inches for the ancient Chinese jade art.

The stone is already altered, before carving not after.The stone shape enforces the artistic expression is mostly found in Qing to modern. However, they were found in private collections claimed to be early Qing time and China Museums have none.

Bulky eye balls with Spearhead-like ears is of Neolithic to early Shang style. But I do not think that ancient people will carve that hare or rabbit without 4 legs. The jade bring luck but it must be perfect luck not disable luck, the rabbit can't walk. And "why rabbit?"

This piece is new for home-decor art, but the stone is beautiful.

For your consideration.

Best regards
Anita Mui �

�Robert,
This is an interesting carving. Did you do the usual scratch test, because as far as I can see, this is not jade, it could be soapstone. Please show the rabit from underneath.
Ernest �

�Robert...before you buy, give us the results of a scratch test, otherwise you'll never find out what it is.
Ernest �

�Ernest,

You were right on the mark. This is a soapstone carving. As the other poster stated: possibly a door stop. It's sort of cute but I chose not to buy it. Thanks,

Robert �

THIS SHOWS THE DANGER OF TRYING TO APPRAISE OR ATTRIBUTE THE MATERIAL AND AGE OF ANY �JADE� CARVINGS WITH LOW-RESOLUTION PICTURES ONLY. THAT IS WHY NOBODY SHOULD BE NAIVELY ENOUGH INTO BELIEVING THAT THEY CAN DO SO.

Have fun!!

Bill

Bill

Oh! this is what normal people do, they asked what it is about first. Did I ask?:

"Do you have more information of this scam?"

If you do not believe in Gu Fang jade expertise but yourself, no one steal that great knowledge from you, good luck in your eBay Metropolitan Museum study.

Have fun
Anita

P.S. Pls do not use "Have Fun" at the end of your post at any forum, that is my registered trademark.

Anita M:

Sorry, you are quite incoherent in both of your messages. Could not understand a word you said.

Please ask Dr. David Anderson to check your prescriptions.

Have fun.

B

Bill, she gave herself the name of "the dumb housewife" three years ago, so how can you expect coherence.

Definition of coherence:
The quality or state of cohering, especially a logical, orderly, and aesthetically consistent relationship of parts.

Definition of incoherent:
Without logical or meaningful connection; disjointed; rambling: an incoherent sentence.

Synonyms for incoherent:
1. confused, irrational, muddled.

"Incoherent" fits perfectly.

Hi, Trish:

I like the second definition.

B

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