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Subject:Chinese Vase - Please Help Identify
Posted By: Tim Bostic Mon, Feb 28, 2011 IP: 69.170.234.209

Hello Everyone,
Here is another vase my sister has.
She says "You can feel where the leaves & flowers are indented slightly but also has raised dots"
Any info about this vase would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks, Tim Bostic







Subject:Re: Chinese Vase - Please Help Identify
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Mar 01, 2011

It appears to be a late 20th century creation, possibly a Chinese blank that was decorated and refired in Macau or Hong Kong. The mark reads 'Imitation of the Great Qing Qianlong Reign' (Fang Da Qing Qian Long Nian).

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Chinese Vase - Please Help Identify
Posted By: Tim Bostic Tue, Mar 01, 2011

Here are two more pics





Subject:Re: Re: Chinese Vase - Please Help Identify
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Mar 01, 2011

On closer inspection, your sister's cylinder vase looks even more to be the late 20th century creation I'd suspected and the mark had indicated.

First there's the crackle, which is an anomalous ground on most true antique hard paste polychrome porcelain from China. However, the characteristic is common on blanks being overpainted and refired in sometimes poorly controlled kilns of 'offshore' decorating factories. Nowadays, a huge amount of Satsuma-type stoneware also is being manufactured and decorated on the Mainland in old motifs, which are passed off as both Japanese and Chinese antiques.

Second is the presence of rough ends on some petal tips, where decals were sloppily trimmed with scissors before being stuck to the surface for firing. China's porcelain industry did not employ such transfer decoration on a commercial scale until the 1920's or 30's.

Next we see those dots, which seem to serve no decorative or useful purpose at all unless it is to cover more obvious flaws.

Finally the muck: the scourge that I suspect must be a stinky, oily, grimy, sludgy source of cottage industry income for people who live near bilge-dumping spots on the Yangtze and harvest this gunk for use in mucking-up wares by postiche pottery purveyors who know how much we Western antique collectors dote on rattiness and filth as icons of antiquity. This practice is decidedly ironic considering most Chinese I know maintain their homes and contents quite fastidiously, or have progeny thoughtful enough to do it for them after a certain age.

If I seem to ascend a soapbox to rant about the filth aspect it is mostly theatrical, done in the hope these warning flags for novice antique porcelain collectors might be remembered as long as my rhetoric usually is. :)

Cheers,

Bill H.

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Chinese Vase - Please Help Identify
Posted By: Tim Bostic Mon, May 16, 2011

Hello Bill,
I talked with my sister today & she said that she had tried several times to post a reply to the info you posted but couldn't get it done. She does not have internet and is trying to use her I-Phone. She wanted me to thank you for the information and the time you spent replying.
She said it will make a GREAT umbrella stand!!! hehe!!!
Again, Thanks,
Tim Bostic

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Re: Chinese Vase - Please Help Identify
Posted By: Bill H. Tue, May 17, 2011

It's a pleasure to assist whenever possible.
Best regards,
Bill H.


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