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Subject:Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: Paul Thu, Mar 24, 2011 IP: 24.91.192.94

Could anyone please provide info on these 2 jars?
Greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance
Pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58498242@N03/sets/72157626343580250/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58498242@N03/sets/72157626218709069/

Subject:Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: bill h Fri, Mar 25, 2011

The potting, painting style and apocryphal Qianlong mark all strike me as generally consistent with what was seen on some Jingdezhen commercial kiln wares made circa the late Qing and early Republic era.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Subject:Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: Paul Fri, Mar 25, 2011

I have also included another piece (see pic below). It appears to be a small porcelain box, with 6 character marks on the bottom. Again, any info regarding their age, the marks is greatly appreciated!
Sincerely,
Paul
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58498242@N03/sets/72157626343590578/

Subject:Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: Cal Fri, Mar 25, 2011

Both jars made late 20th century or later. Their form is very old one used for food storage, often called 'ginger jar.'

Jar 1 has mark of Qianlong reign (Qing Dynasty), very popular in 20th century for items made both Japan and China.

Jar 2 has mark of Kangxi reign (Qing Dynasty), also popular mark to put on items made much later.

Both marks in this case supposed to suggest high quality, not necessarily meant to deceive about when made, especially since not well written.

Jars may have had stickers for place made.

Do internet search you can find many examples genuine items made each reign, and how genuine marks look.

Subject:Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: Paul Fri, Mar 25, 2011

Thanks Bill and Cal.
Cal,
I hope you meant late 19th century, not 20th?

Subject:Re: Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: Cal Fri, Mar 25, 2011

For self meant 20th.

Good luck,
Cal

Subject:Re: Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: mikeoz Fri, Mar 25, 2011

The third piece is a container for seal 'mud' the red cinnabar paste for making seal impressions. All three are 20th century.

Subject:Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: bill h Sat, Mar 26, 2011

With respect the contributions by Cal and others, the first piece (jar with dragon motif) strikes me as definitely late Qing or early Republic, because the dragon is depicted with a high degree of fidelity to the style prevailing at the end of dynastic rule in 1911. The canons of dragon painting devolved rapidly after World War II, in my opinion.

The second piece with floral pattern is something easier to copy, and undoubtedly was in the Post-WWII era, but I'd need to see and handle it 'up close and personal' to get a sense of its modernity.

The third item, a seal paste box added after I first commented, has an apparent flow blue quality to the motif and the kind of red stains on the biscuit that indicate firing in a modern kiln. I'd agree it has a high likelihood of being late 20th century.

Best regards,


Bill H.

Subject:Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: Paul Sun, Mar 27, 2011

Thanks all again for your expert opinion! Greatly appreciated!
Sincerely,
Paul

Subject:Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: peter Tue, Mar 29, 2011

I may be a bit late, but would like to comment on the first one.
I can't imagine this as being a late Qing item with a mark written that badly. The writing looks worse than the scribbling of a child. Generally, late Qing marks are written much better. The impression it gives is that the writer had no basic Chinese writing skills.

Subject:Re: Antique Chinese Jars
Posted By: Mark T Wed, Mar 30, 2011

I'd say later, Bill.

The glaze, texture of pottery, the appalling concentric circles...the whole appearance says mid 20th century at the earliest. The brass cover appears aged.


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