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Subject:Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Danny Law Sun, Nov 13, 2011 IP: 96.49.64.194

Can anyone tell me if this is a genuine HONG SHAN culture Jade?!

Thanks in advance








Subject:Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Nov 13, 2011

As I understand, about 300 carvings from the Hong Shan dynasty were found, but perhaps 3 million carvings are on the market. Yours is one of the latter.
Ernest

Subject:Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Michael Mon, Nov 14, 2011

Ernest is right. I too have some of these "old jade" carving from the 3 million out there. Check out this picture.



Subject:Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: danny law Tue, Nov 15, 2011

Hi Michael, thanks for your reply. You have a few collections of chinese jade. Does your jades had skeleton crystals in it. Also was there any signs of Secondary. Did you used a magify glass to check your collections? You never know one of your jades may be real stuff.

Subject:Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Michael Wed, Nov 16, 2011

Hi Danny, thanks for your comment. I do use a magnifying glass to look at my stuff but to be honest, I dont know what to look for. I dont think I will recognise a skeleton crystal even if it jumps out and bite at me :) It is ok with me if none of my collection is real. It is just a simple hobby for me.(Btw, check out this so-called Western Zhou jade bead.)
Cheers and best regards



Subject:Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Thu, Nov 17, 2011

Michael, most people would feel that this carving is genuine,ancient. I think that you have a nice hobby...
I just heard that Jade from Turkestan will be controlled by the Government, export..price etc. I wonder how they can control that. Most likely it will drive prices up even more.
Ernest

Subject:Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Michael Fri, Nov 18, 2011

Hi Ernest, are you referring to Xinjiang? If so, I dont think it is difficult for the Chinese government to control its export. The price of jade has already gone up through the roof over the last 10 years. That is why I keep my hobby simple and purchase only what I can afford:) For example, I bought this interesting bird for a few tens of dollars, both as a paper weight and to study it closely. As the saying goes: you get what you pay for! (The Chinese saying is more apt: one cent for one cent's worth.)
Cheers.





Subject:Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: danny law Tue, Nov 15, 2011

Thqank you Ernest for your reply. You said there is only 300 carvings fron the Hongshan culture???
Hongshan Culture 3500 BC to 2200 BC that is 1300 years and 300 pieces of jade cravings= four and a half jade carvings a year. I don't think that is possible.

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Wed, Nov 16, 2011

As far as I know, they found about 300, then made more than 3 million for the collectors who could not afford paying several hundred thousand dollars per carving..
Ernest

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: danny law Sun, Nov 20, 2011

Hi Ernest, do you know anybody can appraise archaic jade in Canada or USA. The jade that I had have secondary/ skeleton crystals/ alteration also I check the hole of the jade had a lots of qaurtz sand left inside and the hole were drilled from both side. When I left it alone for a week or so it was dull and after I handled it for a few day it became shinny and oily.Thank you for your advice.
Cheers, Danny Law.

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Nov 20, 2011

Appraisals..Please tell us where you are located. If you are somewhere close to Vancouver BC, you can come to my shop.
Ernest

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: danny law Mon, Nov 21, 2011

Howdy, I work in Vancouver and what is your company's address and how much the cost to appraise my jade ( I might have a few to appraise). Thanks.

Subject: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Mon, Nov 21, 2011

Appraisals for Jade carvings are open, depending on the amount of research involved. Many times it isn't worth to get an appraisal. Preferably send pictures of the items, and then one can decide if an appraisal is feasible.

Upper Tenth Jade and Appraisals
104-4545 West 10th Avenue
Vancouver BC Canada

Subject:Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: rat Wed, Nov 16, 2011

300 pieces known to have been recovered and accounted for from archaeological digs or chance discovery.

Subject:Re: Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sat, Nov 19, 2011

Michael.. what I would recommend is to check for specific gravity, and separate the Jade from the non-Jade pieces.
Ernest

Subject:Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Michael Sun, Nov 20, 2011

Hi Ernest,
I have read Eric Hoffman's article which mentions specific gravity tests but how does one go about doing this test without the proper equipment? Thank you so much for your advice.

Subject:Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Nov 20, 2011

A balance scale will do the job. If you are in Singapore, you might find a good one, new, at app. $300.US, quite a bit less if used.
Ernest

Subject:Re: Re: Is it a real HONG SHAN CULTURE Jade?!?
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Nov 20, 2011

To test without proper equipment would be very complicated. It is easy if you buy a larger balance scale which is advertised as useful for SG testing.
Ernest


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