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Subject: Chinese yellow ground bowl Qianlong price HELP
Posted By: Ana Wed, Sep 25, 2013 IP: 66.108.105.17

Chinese yellow ground bowl Qianlong
Please help me to figure out how much are this bowls worth?
Thank you!







Subject:Re: Chinese yellow ground bowl Qianlong price HELP
Posted By: Dave Thu, Sep 26, 2013

Worth probably the amount of rice each bowl can contain?

I snapped pictures of the Qianlong marks from genuine relics in the Shanghai and Suzhou museums. The marks on your pieces seem so blur and faded - way off when compared with the genuine mark.

If the above are the sharpest pictures you can take, they are unlikely genuine pieces.

Subject:Re: Re: Chinese yellow ground bowl Qianlong price HELP
Posted By: Arjan Fri, Sep 27, 2013

Hi all,

Dave (and Ana) I'm not good in "values" so I can't and want say anything about that but you seem to suggest these bowls are fake. I think these bowls are real and (about) late Qianlong. Not imperial (of course) but Minyau.

Regards,

Arjan

Subject:Re: Chinese yellow ground bowl Qianlong price HELP
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Sep 27, 2013

As Dave notes, the marks appear to have characteristics that leave a lot to be desired. A contributing factor may be that some modern white glazes, including Japanese, fire to a frothy bubble consistency which tends to cloud the underlying cobalt. Otherwise, your mark is written pretty much in the Chinese popular kiln style of the one with a blue sgraffito design found on eBay at the link below, where it seems to be doing quite well in the bidding. You'll note , though, that the quality of the sgraffito and enameled decoration is quite superior to your yellow bowl.

Seeing how you have two bowls with the same mark, one with sgraffito designs and the other without, spurs me to show the below images of four small bowls or wine cups I own, all from the same set of five, having the identical version of a Qianlong mark and being abut 3 & 1/8 inches in diameter. Originally I thought them to be Chinese but now believe they may be Japanese, based on a Japanese-marked saucer that wasn't part of the set but matches one of its bowls. I've annotated the last image to speak for itself.

I believe the bowl set probably is late 19th or early 20th century, because the blue in the marks is deep and clear, whereas modern Japanese glazes tend to have the aforementioned propensity t froth up in the kiln and blur underlying marks. Could your bowls be Japanese I wonder?

Best regards,

Bill H.








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Subject:Re: Re: Chinese yellow ground bowl Qianlong price HELP
Posted By: Arjan Mon, Sep 30, 2013

Hi,

I was sure I'd seen such bowls before and in fact they were the same. In this older thread the age was confirmed by Tony.

Regards,

Arjan

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