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Hello all! Can someone please tell me if this 9" dia famille rose ruby back dish/ deep plate is Qianlong or Qing republic? Any assistance with this query would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! David.

Your dish may be English 18th century porcelain, judging by the glaze ridge next to the inside of its foot rim. Such a ridge would form as a result of a period practice of wiping excess slip from the bottoms of such pieces before firing, which left a slight ring of it to melt and spread out as a low ridge in the kiln. Staffordshire experts call it a "wipe line" or "dry line" I believe. I'm aware from experience that it's diagnostic of Worcester Dr. Wall-period dishes and some kindred wares made circa the mid-18th century, such as the Dr. Wall teapot I used as an example in this earlier thread.

Best regards,

Bill H.

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R&G McPherson of the U.K. antique firm has a pair of plates of similar design(sold),that are listed as Chinese early 18th century. They have not got the ruby backs,but the ruby colored rims and bird designs are strikingly similar. They may be the design origin for the trans-cultural English products. What do you think?

I also have this possible 18th century Chinese-style chicken bowl, which appears to me likely to be from an English or other European maker as well. It lacks a "wipe line" on the bottom, but the white glaze there runs up the inner foot and onto the rim, which characteristic I also associate with Staffordshire. The hound in the cavetto looks a bit weird to me too, as does the matte overglaze blue though I suppose this could just be misfired.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Thanx allot Bill H and plasticman! The information you supplied is great! David. P.S. I have posted a supplemental pic of the mark on the "brass jar" from my earlier post; any info on this mark?

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