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Subject:TRANSLATION OF SEAL ON HUNTING SCROLL PAINTING
Posted By: Andrew Tue, Jan 17, 2017 IP: 124.171.67.4

Is anyone in the community able to translate the seal marks please, would greatly appreciate it. Scroll was gifted to an Australian diplomat circa 1948 in Beijing.







Subject:TRANSLATION OF SEAL ON HUNTING SCROLL PAINTING
Posted By: rat Thu, Jan 19, 2017

Good question, the seal in the first photo is a collector's seal and is more likely to be associated with an identifiable individual than that in the second photo, which is also a collector's seal but seems to be meant to name a cyclical year when it was impressed on the painting. I haven't seen an example of that before though, so maybe I am misreading it. Mikeoz and others will have some good alternative suggestions I expect.

The first seal seems to read (in simplified characters):
云移草堂
and is likely meant as the collector's name for his studio or library, and as such an extension of himself. Will see if I can find who it belongs to later.

the seal in the second picture is a bit harder to read but seems to me to be
歲在xx
or "year of x x"

Let's see what others suggest.

Neither of these seals is likely to belong to the artist who painted the picture, who was probably an anonymous professional called on to memorialize the guy in the red cape and his close friends (the older men of the group on horseback who also seem to be painted as portraits, unlike the relatively generic younger boys and ladies)

Subject:Re: TRANSLATION OF SEAL ON HUNTING SCROLL PAINTING
Posted By: mikeoz Thu, Jan 26, 2017

Dear Rat,

the first character of the date is 癸, and judging by what little we can see of the second character, I suggest the second is 戌, which would equate with 1873, 1933 or 1993. Your choice.

Regards,

Subject:Re: TRANSLATION OF SEAL ON HUNTING SCROLL PAINTING
Posted By: rat Fri, Jan 27, 2017

Aha! 癸 Thank you.
Whether it's 1873 or not, a 19th century date seems pretty plausible

Subject:TRANSLATION OF SEAL ON HUNTING SCROLL PAINTING
Posted By: rat Fri, Jan 27, 2017

Which reminds me to look for the owner of the 云移草堂 seal. Unfortunately, while there are several seals recorded with 云x草堂 carved in them (e.g. 云浦草堂, 云路草堂) there are none I can find so far with the second 移 character.


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