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Subject:Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Fri, Apr 19, 2013 IP: 218.212.242.167 I think this piece is a male dragon. My observations from my collection of C dragons is this - when the carver creates a pair of C dragons, it distinguishes the male dragon and the female dragon by carvings and reliefs on the chin of the C dragon. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Sun, Apr 21, 2013 Can anyone appreciate this piece? Height 15cm. A Chinese national brought this piece to my home in 1994 or 1995. It was quite long ago so I could not recall the exact date. I loved this one although none of the people I know who have seen it could appreciate it. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Mon, Apr 22, 2013 Length 15cm. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: adam Tue, Apr 23, 2013 none of these are genuine...Generally hongshan pieces have gem like lustre, and those from lioning province are very distingishable for different reasons... Regarding those horrible red patches of fake qi-sin they are only seen on fakes from the last 20 years... |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, Apr 24, 2013 Height 15cm. No hole. When I get a piece which I believed to be correct, but unusual, like this one with no hole, I would still collect and keep them for analysis. Why was the hole not there? The owner died before it was finished, and the carver has not enough time to make the hole? |
Subject:Better Pictures of The Bird Dragon/Totem Above
Posted By: Jac Wed, Nov 13, 2013 I have learned that this 15cm Hongshan Culture green nephrite sculpture is probably not a pig dragon as it has no ears. Perhaps this is a bird dragon. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, Apr 24, 2013 Height 13cm. This piece has a nice shinny lustre. All the pieces I have posted here has a nice lustre on the areas where it is not affected by prolonged weathering. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Mon, Jun 10, 2013 The first image below is that of a Hongshan Culture artifact in a museum in China, described as (Google translation of Chinese text): |
Subject:Western Mexico Shaft Tomb Ceramic Figurines
Posted By: Jac Sat, Oct 19, 2013 The image of two shaft tomb ceramic figures from western Mexico (http://archaeology.org/issues/107-features/tattoos//1357-mexico-jalisco-nayarit-colima) are shown here to show an artifact held by the figure on the left. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: xisco Tue, Sep 17, 2013 are you expert in hongshan I am from Spain and I have I figure from 1975.. from my father.. |
Subject:I Am Not An Expert On Archaic Jade
Posted By: Jac Wed, Sep 18, 2013 Hi Xisco, |
Subject:I Am Not An Expert On Archaic Jade
Posted By: Jac Wed, Sep 18, 2013 Hi Xisco, |
Subject:Re: I Am Not An Expert On Archaic Jade
Posted By: xisco Fri, Sep 20, 2013 Thanks for your comments |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, Apr 24, 2013 "O" shaped pig dragon. 13cm. |
Subject:Better Pictures of The O Shaped Bird Dragon
Posted By: Jac Wed, Nov 13, 2013 This is obviously not an "O" shaped pig dragon as stated in my post above as this Hongshan Culture totem has no pig ears and looked more like a bird. A Bi shaped bird totem, perhaps. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, Apr 24, 2013 In my opinion, this C dragon shown here in is a female dragon. |
Subject:Dongguaiibanggou jade dragon
Posted By: Jac Sat, Aug 17, 2013 I created this post to highlight a mistake I made on this post: |
Subject:Re: Dongguaiibanggou jade dragon
Posted By: Punghu Sat, Jul 14, 2018 Polynesian = Sumerian = Hongshanian = Mexiconian |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: William Mon, Dec 09, 2013 Let's stop perpetuating mis-information. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: JDP Sun, Aug 17, 2014 How would you explain this then? Kissing Dragons? Double C Dragon? |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, Apr 24, 2013 In my opinion, this C dragon shown here in is a male dragon. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Kevin Martin Sat, Apr 27, 2013 From your insulting comments and your questionable jades ( to say the least ) you should have stopped collecting in 1993. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Sat, Apr 27, 2013 Sorry for the spelling mistakes in my previous post. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: xie xiang Sun, Apr 28, 2013 I really appreciate you posting those pictures of your collection. Given the amount of fakes out there and a wide array of self proclaimed expert out there in this space its easy for one to shout fake. I dont want to write a lot about my knowledge in this space and convince anyone, but I say this its hard for me to call those pieces fake. I love those pictures and I I really would love to see them in person. Jac, thanks a lot of sharing your collection.. you have something very cloae to the real ones I have seen so far.. envy your collection. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Sun, Apr 28, 2013 The first picture shows 2 carvings, each has a different color, but the brown "burial" colors are identical. That is impossible !! ...never mind the other really crummy ones ... |
Subject:Sharper Pictures
Posted By: Jac Thu, Jul 30, 2015 Sharper photos of this 15 cm high original Hongshan Culture masterpiece. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Fri, Jun 07, 2013 Additional pictures of the same upright bird/owl to show the Hongshan Culture "signature" vortex eye and the original material chosen to shape this masterpiece. It is dark green nephrite, of the highest quality. Based on the size, quality of the material used and the impeccable workmanship of this sculpture, I believed its owner is a very high ranking person in the early Hongshan Culture community. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: William Mon, Dec 09, 2013 Hello My Jade Friend, |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Maria Gregg Fri, May 17, 2019 Hello, |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Mon, Apr 29, 2013 Look at those huge C dragons shown in the video found in this link: |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, May 01, 2013 9 cm Larva (front right). 14cm Pupa/Cicada (left). 17cm Pupa (back). |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: pipane Tue, May 07, 2013 no comment on pictures posted here. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, May 08, 2013 Farmer sold an authentic Hongshan horse hoof cong to archeologist for only 5 RMB. See attached video. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Thu, May 16, 2013 Stone turtle. 14cm X 13cm. Garbage or neolithic stone art, you be the judge. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Thu, May 16, 2013 Another Hongshan culture stone sculpture. L 19cm, H 8cm. For me, this is a masterpiece of neolithic stone art. Simple and beautiful. Shaped and polished to perfection. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Tue, May 21, 2013 L 17cm X W 11cm X H 6cm. The stone used to shape this is similar to some stone relics unearthed legally from Hongshan culture burial sites. What this stone sculpture depict, I don't know. |
Subject:This Sculpture Depicts An Ancient Goddess of Childbirth
Posted By: Jac Sat, Jun 04, 2016 I washed this enigmatic sculpture a few days ago and examined its surface with a loupe. I have no doubt this carving is ancient. It has natural burial alteration marks all over its surface that are typically found on neolithic artifacts, the most compelling being the pit shown on the bottom photo. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Sun, May 19, 2013 Beast/alien face sitting/squatting stone figure with 2 horns. Height 14cm, width 10cm. Possibly Hongshan culture sculpture. Only one made of this material in my collection. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Tue, May 28, 2013 What happened to the Hongshan Culture people? They saw a meteor crashing into earth somewhere near where they lived, said some archeologists - see attached article. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Super Mon, Jun 03, 2013 I have been watching this Hongshan saga of yours without making any comments because you do have the right to develop your own fantasy in anything you collect and enjoy, therefore nobody should deprive you of such enjoyment. However, now you appear to start making up theory such as "Some other archeologists said the temperature where they lived drop and they moved south and were the founders of the Shang dynasty." |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Tue, Jun 04, 2013 I am sorry that I had used the wrong words/sentence to try and introduce a hypothesis that the post Hongshan culture people went to fight wars and it caused some readers to be terribly upset. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, May 29, 2013 This 17 cm nude sculpture of a kneeling figure with both arms holding a round vessel on its head, is a Hongshan Culture sculpture, said my archaic jade dealer/runner from Northeast China, about 15 years ago, when I got it from him. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Wed, May 29, 2013 19 cm C shaped dragon. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Fri, May 31, 2013 Take a look at the attached video from 20:11. It shows experts evaluating Hongshan Culture artifacts from a collector and concluded that they are not copies. I came to this conclusion from the applause from the audience as I understand just a little spoken Mandarin. Chinese words, I do not understand at all. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Dave Sun, Jun 02, 2013 The above images are pretty scary. You remind me of this French collector, residing in Singapore, who is a big time fan of hongshan jade according to my dad. The same guy was ostracized by reputable dealers in Chinatown, Singapore. Once there was a Chinese porcelain seminar in Singapore, co- hosted by Beijing Poly, and this French collector brought his hongshan collection to discuss with the Beijing Poly personnel. They simply smiled and returned the pieces to him without saying much. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: LEE Tue, Jun 04, 2013 There are all types of Hongshan forgeries available in China. There are the cheap Serpentine form that is eroded and stained with all sort of color. There are the more expensive Hetian varieties as well. You can get a truck lot at the antique markets and the jade and antique department stores. They come in all sort of styles of carving some are out right fakes with mating couples and etc. None of these sort of forgeries are found in reputable museums in china like the National museum or the palace museum. These fakes are found in some small private and state run museums just to show the handicraft and to entertain the visitors but they are not serious antiques or any treasures. All the serious genuine jade artifacts are found in the national museums e.g Shanghai museum or Zhejiang or Shandong museum. The rest are just showing arts and crafts. Bring any of those examples to a reputable auction house either in China e.g Poly or Forever and see what they tell you in the native lanquage. |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: Jac Fri, Jun 07, 2013 Hi LEE, |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: LEE Sun, Jun 09, 2013 The shapes are different. the shanghai museum example has a bigger hole in the middle, the hole is wider from the side it was bore and the walls are straighter and not so rounded like yours. the shanghai museum eye is not so well rounded as it is carved by hand with a rasp With abrasive |
Subject:Re: Hongshan Sculptures for Enjoyment, Analysis & Discussion
Posted By: William Mon, Dec 09, 2013 "Sandpaper"? |
Subject:Three-Tier Cong
Posted By: Jac Wed, Jun 19, 2013 Below, top image is a three-tier cong, with no carved lines, height 13 cm, upper diameter 8 cm, lower diameter 7 cm, that I have owned for about 20 years. This cong looked a bit like the one from the Jinsha site discovered in 2001 (image from this website: http://www.friendsofjade.org/current-article/2007/12/3/the-jades-of-the-jinsha-site-in-sichuanchina.html). |
Subject:One Unique Pig Dragon
Posted By: Jac Tue, Jun 25, 2013 Pictures below shows a unique Honshan Culture pig dragon. It has a bird/eagle attached to the back of its body. Height 19cm, width 15cm. |
Subject:Re: One Unique Pig Dragon
Posted By: xie xiang Sun, Jun 30, 2013 Jac, Incredible Pig Dragon, really enjoyed seeing these pictures. Thanks a lot |
Subject:High Resolution Photos of This Unique Pig Dragon
Posted By: Jac Fri, Apr 11, 2014 Thanks to Dropbox I am able to attach high resolutions pictures of this "one of a kind" pig dragon: |
Subject:Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: Jac Sat, Jun 29, 2013 These are better pictures of the C shaped dragon from the 1st post on this thread. |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: Dave Mon, Jul 01, 2013 If I remember correctly, the genuine iconic C-dragon piece in the museum has very fine (unlike yours that seem so far apart) criss cross marks at the bottom of the head/mouth. |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: Jac Mon, Jul 01, 2013 First picture below shows the altered surface of a the famous legally/scientifically excavated Hongshan Culture pig dragon. |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: Dave Tue, Jul 02, 2013 Could you kindly snap close-ups on the (1) criss cross mark at the bottom of the head/mouth, (2) drilled hole and (3) eyes? Like to see how the carvings were done. |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: Jac Tue, Jul 02, 2013 The close ups that you requested, to satisfy your curiosity. |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: Dave Wed, Jul 03, 2013 Unable to have a clear view from that angle, does the drilled hole seem to be drilled from one end all the way out the other side, like a tubular drilled hole? Perhaps you can describe this part based on your hands-on observation. |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: Dave Wed, Jul 03, 2013 Just found out that the criss cross mark is called a rhomboid lattice pattern. This pattern is very fine. In fact, the famous C dragon museum piece has this pattern both on the forehead and beneath the jaw. Some may argue that we cannot just take one example to authenticate the rest, however, a lot of things do not add up in this case. |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: xie xiang Tue, Jul 09, 2013 Jac, |
Subject:Re: Better Pictures of The C Shaped Dragon, 1st Post on This Thread
Posted By: chinkang Wed, Apr 16, 2014 Hi Xie Xiang, there are quite a number of people that have HongShan jade, but who are these experts who can verify them. Museum curators are most probably the most qualified ones who have excess to the numerous quantity of Hongshan to be able to authenticate, but more and more excavations reveal even more unusual carvings. But nevertheless the more expose you are to the present ones found the more you can tell whether the material and design are from Hongshan period. |
Subject:The Face of An Important Hongshan Culture Male Figure
Posted By: Jac Tue, Jul 09, 2013 The first two pictures below show the face/head of a 62 cm sculpture made of turquoise like stone, which I acquired last month. This sculpture could possibly be of the late Hongshan Culture period as it has facial features (broad sunken mouth, high nose and huge eyes) similar to the 55cm Hongshan Culture pottery figure discovered in 2012 (third picture below, taken from this site - http://cn.hujiang.com/new/p406431/?op). |
Subject:Re: The Face of An Important Hongshan Culture Male Figure
Posted By: Dave Wed, Jul 10, 2013 It is quite appalling to witness your standard of comparison evident from the Cong and Figure images above. Dumbfounded about the drilled hole and dangling position? |
Subject:Seated Zoomorphic Figure With The Head of An Ox
Posted By: Jac Mon, Jul 15, 2013 This post is a continuation of the post where I showed the head/face of what I believed to be an important Hongshan Culture male figure. The 62cm high sculpture where the picture of the face/head was taken is shown below. |
Subject:A White Jade Mountain Carving
Posted By: Jac Thu, Jul 11, 2013 I am dumfounded to read the rude comments of a young reader trying to authenticate a C shaped dragon, with basic knowledge of Hongshan Culture artifacts, like dangling position and hole drill marks. I would be dumb to conclude that a C dragon is authentic if its dangling position and drill marks are correct because these are elementary knowledge which the forgers can copy. |
Subject:A C Shaped Dragon With The Earliest Form of The Chinese Script?
Posted By: Jac Sat, Jul 13, 2013 The 25cm C shaped dragon shown below has 3 lines on its chin/lower jaw. This 3 horizontal lines could possibly be one of the earliest form of the Chinese script. It is my personal opinion that the 3 horizontal lines on Hongshan Culture artifacts either represents of is related to the FEMALE gender. Based on this HYPOTHESIS, the C shaped dragon shown here is a female dragon. |
Subject:Re: A C Shaped Dragon With The Earliest Form of The Chinese Script?
Posted By: LEE Fri, Jul 26, 2013 Some state and official run museums have recently been accused of displaying fake antiques and they have been accused of corruption and wasting public money by angry villages. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365937/Museum-forced-close-China-claims-40-000-antique-artefacts-fake.html |
Subject:Re: A C Shaped Dragon With The Earliest Form of The Chinese Script?
Posted By: Dave Sun, Jul 28, 2013 Seems like Lee found like-minded friends for the benefit of this thread. |
Subject:Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: Jac Wed, Jul 31, 2013 "Mother & Daughter" C shaped dragon. Dark green nephrite. Height 24cm. |
Subject:Re: Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: xie xiang Fri, Aug 02, 2013 Wow! Nice one. First time seeing something like this. In china we see various animals with their babies in sculptures at various places. Given that, its possible that a Mother/baby dragon also exist. Would like to hear from others, whether they have seen similar pieces. Thanks Jac for posting it |
Subject:Re: Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: Dave Sat, Aug 03, 2013 The eyes of these C dragons are almost exactly the same. Same forger perhaps? |
Subject:Re: Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: Michael O Mon, Aug 05, 2013 It's an interesting point Dave raises. Other than scientific means, experts compare features of real and / or fakes to judge a piece of work. From what I know, highly important sculptures, such as buddha scupltures for example, have to be carved to conform to very strick guidelines for proportions and features (hair, eyes, fingers, etc). |
Subject:Re: Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: LEE Tue, Aug 06, 2013 I agree with Dave, very poor fake, hopefully you didn't any more than $20 for it. poor stone bad simple crving they like to fake such things in china because it is simple to carve and such raw material is cheap to buy. |
Subject:Re: Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: Jac Sun, Aug 11, 2013 LEE, I am surprised that you are also qualified to appraise and authenticate Hongshan Culture C shaped dragons. When you recommended reputable auction houses in China like Poly or Forever for me to send my pieces for appraisal, you should have included yourself as a reputable appraiser, like the auction houses you recommended. |
Subject:Re: Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: LEE Tue, Aug 13, 2013 Hi Jac, I have hongshan and neolithic jade in my collection but I do not boast I have a pig dragon. They are such rare things I don't believe there has been a authentic piece on the market for ages. There are too many fakes in china you can get for a few dollars a piece and yours look no different from the fakes I have seen at antique markets all over China. You should learn from visiting reputable museums in China and also looking at items at reputable auctions and at the antique market where fake flourishes. The dragon head is made from serpentine or from brownite. It lacks the luster and reflective index of jade. This one has been soaked in acid and colored to look like a dragon head from the warring state but unfortunately it is a cleverly done fake. The item should bubble with some acid placed on it's surface. such items appear frosted and white when it is clean with detergent but has a color when you aply some vegetable oil to it. |
Subject:Re: Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: Dave Tue, Aug 06, 2013 Playing music to the spoon-fed cow perhaps Michael? |
Subject:Mother & Child C Shaped Dragon - High Resolution Pictures
Posted By: Jac Fri, Apr 11, 2014 High resolution photos: |
Subject:A White Jade Buddha
Posted By: Jac Wed, Aug 07, 2013 A white jade Buddha, height 22cm, purchased for SGD 800 from the jade runner from Northeast China, in the mid 1990s. I had to buy what he brings to me, including the white jades. |
Subject:Re: A White Jade Buddha
Posted By: Dave Fri, Aug 09, 2013 Those jade runners must be laughing all the way to the bank. |
Subject:Re: A White Jade Buddha
Posted By: JLim Fri, Aug 09, 2013
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Subject:Re: A White Jade Buddha
Posted By: xie xiang Fri, Aug 09, 2013 It's amazing that the comments on this thread after jac's Buddha posting. It clearly demonstrate that ignorance has no medicine. |
Subject:A Pair of Pig Dragon, One Male One Female?
Posted By: Jac Fri, Aug 09, 2013 Take a close look at the pair of pig dragons found in a tomb at the Niuheliang site shown in the picture below. |
Subject:Re: A Pair of Pig Dragon, One Male One Female?
Posted By: Harry Tue, Aug 13, 2013 Jac, |
Subject:Re: A Pair of Pig Dragon, One Male One Female?
Posted By: JLim Thu, Aug 15, 2013
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Subject:The Hongshan Theories Continues With 3 Credible C Dragons
Posted By: Jac Wed, Oct 16, 2013 The top picture below is that of an excavated C shaped dragon. I believed this is the only legally excavated Hongshan culture C shaped dragon from a museum in China. I am aware of two other C shaped dragons in the collection of reputable museums in China - the famous Sanxingtala dragon and the Dongguaibanggou dragon. Both are donated C shaped dragons, found by villagers and handed over to the museums. |
Subject:Re: The Hongshan Theories Continues With 3 Credible C Dragons
Posted By: chin kang Mon, Mar 17, 2014 Dear jac, I am new here and an collector of Hongshan jade. I have posted pics of C dragon, bi ,bird, and a couple of other relics and waiting for replies, Can help me out by looking at them. Appreciate your views and your advise. Thanks. |
Subject:Re: The Hongshan Theories Continues With 3 Credible C Dragons
Posted By: Jac Mon, Jun 01, 2015 Correction - No C-shaped dragon were found from controlled, legal excavations in China. |
Subject:Mother C Shaped Dragon & Child/Daughter Pig Dragon
Posted By: Jac Wed, Oct 16, 2013 I show off here, in Asianart forum, what I believed to be a very rare 17cm "mother" C shaped dragon carrying a "child" pig dragon. |
Subject:Huangdi Defeated Chiyou, Carved on Liangzhu Cong??
Posted By: Jac Tue, Oct 29, 2013 The Battle of Zhuolu (Traditional Chinese: 涿鹿之戰 or Simplified Chinese: 涿鹿之战) was the second battle in Chinese history as recorded in the Records of the Grand Historian, fought between the Yellow Emperor (Huang Di) and Chi You. The battle was fought in Zhuolu, near the present-day border of Hebei and Liaoning. The victory for the Yellow Emperor here is often credited as the establishment of the Han Chinese civilization, although almost everything from that time period is considered legendary. Traditional Chinese historiography places the battle in the 26th century BC, although a recent study has suggested the traditional dates to be at least some two centuries too early for the remotest recorded periods. - Wikipedia. |
Subject:Re: Huangdi Defeated Chiyou, Carved on Liangzhu Cong??
Posted By: John Tue, Aug 05, 2014 Check this out. Any information you can give me would be would be appreciated. Thanks, John |
Subject:A Neolithic Bi
Posted By: Jac Wed, Nov 13, 2013 A neolithic Bi, outer diameter 12cm, inner diameter 5cm. |
Subject:Re: A Neolithic Bi
Posted By: JLim Thu, Nov 14, 2013 Warning - I believe "Jac" is the Yahoo Fraudster (see my post) |
Subject:3 Toothed Face Plaques
Posted By: Jac Fri, Nov 22, 2013 The first image below is that of a rare 28.6 cm long excavated Hongshan Culture rectangular face plaque with five teeth, from a credible museum in China. |
Subject:Toothed Face Plaques Represent Images of Hongshan Culture Gods?
Posted By: Jac Thu, Nov 28, 2013 At 8:05, the attached video provides an illustration of the images carved on a rock found in Baimiaozi, Innner Mongolia, attributed to the Hongshan Culture. |
Subject:The Baimiaozi Rock Has A Face With Almond Shaped Eyes
Posted By: Jac Thu, Dec 19, 2013 The first image below is that of the potato shaped rock in Baimiaozi, discovered by a Chinese researcher by the name of Wu Jiacai. The images on this rock were carved by the Hongshan Culture people or their ancestors (from watching the video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea5FWHAc74g) |
Subject:Re: 3 Toothed Face Plaques
Posted By: Jac Tue, Jan 21, 2014 The 28.6 cm long excavated Hongshan Culture rectangular face plaque with five teeth (1st photo from my previous post) was found beside the face/head/skull of its owner. See 1st photo below. |
Subject:A Hongshan Culture Nephrite Bird Totem, With Tiny Black "Pearls"
Posted By: Jac Fri, Dec 20, 2013 I do not have any Hongshan Culture "toothed" face plaques of my own which I believed is genuine to show off here. I have one toothed face plaque which I am sure is a modern copy. |
Subject:Re: A Hongshan Culture Nephrite Bird Totem, With Tiny Black "Pearls"
Posted By: LEE Sat, Jan 25, 2014 modern drill marks on the head and neck area of the bird. The tool marks in these areas should be parallel to the cut . They would have been cut with a rasp or a disc and not a drill. Drills were only used for boring holes it is a harder technique for the ancient. This is typical of modern jade cutting. such drill marks are produced by running a round diamond bur in the cut. |
Subject:Excavated in 2003 - Jade Phoenix from M4 Tomb, N16 Site
Posted By: Jac Fri, Jan 17, 2014 The first photo below shows the funerary jades found in a Hongshan Culture stone coffin tomb excavated in 2003. See http://www.archaic-jade.com/hongshan/hongshan7.htm and http://www.kaogu.net.cn/html/en/Publication/New_books/2013/1025/30109.html for more information. |
Subject:Jade Animal Purchased in 1993 - Modern Fantasy or Ancient Mystery?
Posted By: Jac Sun, Jan 19, 2014 The photos below are that of a mysterious jade animal that I purchased in 1993, from a Chinese national, a stranger, who somehow managed to get my home phone number, called me and came to my home with a collection of jade & stone sculptures which he claimed are Hongshan Culture artifacts. I bought all he has to offer and asked for more but never heard from him again. |
Subject:Happy Chinese New Year 2014
Posted By: Jac Thu, Jan 23, 2014 My first purchases of 2014, presented here without comment as I do not know when they were made or where they came from. The metal statue cost SGD 20. The jade pendant cost SGD 30. From the Sunday flea market, in Singapore. |
Subject:Clear Glass Like Layer On Archaic Jades
Posted By: Jac Fri, Feb 21, 2014 The pictures of three archaic jades from reputable museums/collection are presented here for reference. |
Subject:A Hongshan Culture Bird Totem, With Shinny Glass Like Coating
Posted By: Jac Fri, Feb 21, 2014 This 8cm high X 8.5cm wide Hongshan Culture nephrite bird carving has a layer of shinny, transparent glass like substance over its whole body, like the ones shown in my previous post. |
Subject:Higher Resolution Photos of The Majestic Hongshan Culture Bird
Posted By: Jac Tue, Apr 08, 2014 15cm wide, 15.5cm high. |
Subject:Re: Higher Resolution Photos of The Majestic Hongshan Culture Bird
Posted By: Jac Wed, Apr 09, 2014 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3ngrkaqjjauxj69/-bgq9g0wDk |
Subject:A Beautiful Black "Mati" (Horse Hoof) Cong
Posted By: Jac Sat, Jul 05, 2014 Height about 15cm. Material is opaque, non-magnetic. |
Subject:Re: A Beautiful Black "Mati" (Horse Hoof) Cong
Posted By: Jac Sun, Jul 13, 2014 A short 1:20 Youtube video of the black hoof shaped object presented here for readers to form their own conclusions. |
Subject:A Shang Dynasty Green Jade Cong
Posted By: Jac Sun, Jul 20, 2014 Height - 10cm, Upper Outer Diameter - 6cm, Lower Outer Diameter - 5cm. |
Subject:A Glimpse Of My Knee Height C Shaped Dragon
Posted By: Jac Sun, Jul 27, 2014 Height 50cm. |
Subject:IConfident My Knee Height C Shaped Dragon Is Genuine
Posted By: Jac Tue, Oct 25, 2016 After close to 4 years of studies and research on Hongshan Culture artifacts, I am confident the 50 cm large C shaped dragon that I purchased from a stranger in the early 1990s is GENUINE. |
Subject:A Neolithic Jade Turtle With Ancient Text
Posted By: Jac Sun, Aug 03, 2014 Length - 12cm, Width - 7cm. |
Subject:1,368 pieces from 104 collectors, examined by 12 archaeologists, exhibited in 19 renowned public museums around the world
Posted By: Jac Thu, Sep 25, 2014 http://www.bjreview.com.cn/report/txt/2014-07/17/content_630072.htm |
Subject:Buying Neolithic Jade in Shanghai
Posted By: David H Sun, Dec 07, 2014 Hi there |
Subject:Jade Sparrow. Neolithic? Hongshan Culture?
Posted By: jac Sat, Jan 24, 2015 Max height: 9 cm. Max length: 16 cm. |
Subject:Jade Fish. Neolithic? Hongshan Culture?
Posted By: jac Mon, Jan 26, 2015 Maximum Length: 17 cm. |
Subject:Round Cong With Three Pupas. Neolithic? Hongshan Culture?
Posted By: jac Wed, Jan 28, 2015 Height: 9.5 cm. Inner diameter: 6 cm. |
Subject:Round Nephrite Cong With Three Cicadas
Posted By: jac Tue, Feb 10, 2015 Height: 11 cm |
Subject:A Jade Horse Hoof Cong With A Face
Posted By: Jac Tue, May 12, 2015 Maximum Height: 11 cm. |
Subject:Black Jade, Mystery Object
Posted By: Jac Sun, May 17, 2015 Height: 7 cm. Max. Length: 16 cm. Width: 6 cm. |
Subject:A Round Hollow Liangzhu Ornament, Incised With 4 Images
Posted By: Jac Mon, May 18, 2015 Outer Diameter: 8.2 cm. Inner Diameter: 6.2 cm. Height: 3.4 cm. |
Subject:A Round Hollow Liangzhu Ornament, Engraved With 3 Images
Posted By: Jac Tue, May 19, 2015 Outer Diameter: 7.6 cm. Inner Diameter: 6.3 cm. Height 4.1 cm. |
Subject:Palm Sized Hongshan Culture C-Shaped Dragon
Posted By: Jac Thu, May 28, 2015 Maximum Height: 11 cm. Maximum Length: 11 cm. |
Subject:A Top Grade Pig Dragon Is Worth USD 2.5 Million?
Posted By: Jac Mon, Jun 08, 2015 Below is the video that I chanced upon in late 2012 which revived my interest in the Hongshan Culture jades that I collected in the 1990s. |
Subject:A Large 36 cm Horse Hoof Cong, Hongshan Culture?
Posted By: Jac Thu, Jun 25, 2015 This horse hoof cong has a maximum height of 36 cm at the back and 19 cm at the front. |
Subject:Genuine Unearthed Horse Hoof Cong - For Reference & Comparison
Posted By: Jac Wed, Jul 01, 2015 Photos of genuine unearthed Hongshan Culture horse hoof congs displayed in museums, for reference and comparison. |
Subject:A 13.3 cm Neolithic Hollow Grooved Jade Cylinder
Posted By: Jac Sat, Jun 27, 2015 Height 13.3 cm, with a wider diameter of 7 cm on one end and a narrower diameter of 6.5 cm on the opposite end. |
Subject:A 9.5 cm Double Faced Cylindrical Jade Tube?
Posted By: Jac Mon, Jun 29, 2015 This hollow cylindrical jade tube has a height of 9.5 cm and diameter or 4 cm. |
Subject:A 9.5 cm Double Faced Cylindrical Jade Tube - More Photos
Posted By: Jac Tue, Jun 30, 2015 More photos, for those who have difficulty in identifying the face carved on the jade tube. |
Subject:The Face of A Goddess?
Posted By: Jac Sun, Sep 20, 2015 https://echildsjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/jadesofthehongshanculture.pdf |
Subject:Re: The Face of A Goddess?
Posted By: john Sat, Feb 24, 2024 This appears to be real. |
Subject:The Face of A Hongshan Culture God
Posted By: Jac Wed, Sep 23, 2015 A life size hardstone face/burial mask of an important Hongshan Culture male figure, perhaps their Ancestor God. |
Subject:Male Hongshan Culture Chief/Ruler Wears Ear Rings?
Posted By: Jac Thu, Sep 24, 2015 I collected this burial mask in the mid 1990s, before archaeologists in China discovered the 55 cm Hongshan Culture male pottery figure in Inner Mongolia in 2012. |
Subject:A Hongshan Culture Jade Face Object With Rhombic Lattice Carved Lines, From Museum
Posted By: Jac Thu, Sep 24, 2015 First two photos below are that of a genuine Hongshan Culture jade face object from a museum in China, perhaps an unearthed piece, from the markings at the back of the object. |
Subject:A 3 Tiers Liangzhu Cong With Face Motifs In Low Relief
Posted By: Jac Tue, Dec 29, 2015 Dimensions: Slightly tapered, Height 8.6 cm, Width 6.9 cm (upper), 6.5 cm (lower). Inner rim diameter 5.2 cm at the top, 5.2 cm at the bottom. |
Subject:A Hollow Jade Cylinder with 4 Cicadas
Posted By: Jac Fri, May 27, 2016 A hollow jade cylinder with grooves and 4 cicadas in high relief. Height: 11.5 cm. Diameter: 7.5 cm. Neolithic Period, China. |
Subject:A 32 cm Jade Sceptre
Posted By: Jac Fri, Jul 15, 2016 A 32 cm jade sceptre unique to Hongshan Culture. |
Subject:3 Hoof Shaped Congs, From Recent Auctions
Posted By: Jac Mon, Dec 26, 2016 Top - From Christie's Hong Kong auction on 30 Nov 2016. Sold for USD 38,858 |
Subject:Re: 3 Hoof Shaped Congs, From Recent Auctions
Posted By: JLim Fri, Sep 15, 2017
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Subject:Hoof Shaped Cong With Animal Face
Posted By: Jac Thu, Sep 10, 2020 Hoof Shaped Cong With Animal Face. Height 14.2 cm. Olive green jade. |
Subject:Hoof Shaped Cong, Height 10.5 cm
Posted By: Jac Mon, Sep 14, 2020 Hoof shaped cong. Height 10.5 cm. Olive green jade. |
Subject:Hoof Shaped Cong, Height 15.3 cm
Posted By: Jac Wed, Sep 16, 2020 Hoof Shaped Cong. Height 15.3 cm. Dark olive green jade. |
Subject:Hoof Shaped Cong With Face, Height 11 cm
Posted By: Jac Thu, Sep 17, 2020 Hoof Shaped Cong With Face, Height 11 cm. Greenish grey jade. |
Subject:Hoof Shaped Cong, Height 12 cm
Posted By: Jac Sat, Sep 19, 2020 Hoof Shaped Cong. Height 12 cm. Light olive green jade. |
Subject:C Shaped Dragon, Height 11 cm
Posted By: Jac Mon, Sep 21, 2020 C Shaped Dragon. Height 11 cm. Bluish olive-green jade. |
Subject:C Shaped Dragon, Height 25 cm
Posted By: Jac Tue, Sep 22, 2020 Female C Shaped Dragon. Height 25 cm. Olive green jade. |
Subject:C Shaped Dragon, Height 12 cm
Posted By: Jac Wed, Sep 23, 2020 C Shaped Dragon, Height 12 cm, Dark Green Jade. |
Subject:C Shaped Dragon, Height 50 cm
Posted By: Jac Thu, Sep 24, 2020 C Shaped Dragon. Height 50 cm. Olive green Xiuyan jade. |
Subject:C Shaped Dragon, Height 17 cm
Posted By: Jac Sun, Sep 27, 2020 C Shaped Dragon. Height 17 cm. Yellowish green translucent jade. |
Subject:C Shaped Dragons, Museum Collections
Posted By: Jac Mon, Sep 28, 2020 C Shaped Dragons in Chinese museums. |
Subject:C Shaped Dragons, Private Collections
Posted By: Jac Tue, Sep 29, 2020 5 C Shaped Dragons in private collection I believed are genuine. Photos from the internet. |
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