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Subject:Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Tue, Aug 31, 2021 IP: 23.243.126.110 Dear friends, |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Wed, Sep 01, 2021 水滸英雄 - Heroes of the Water Margin |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: rat Wed, Sep 01, 2021 No known original (though somebody obviously created a prototype illustration that this has been knocked off from), this seems to be part of a larger group of pictures showing various groups of figures from Chinese folklore/literary/religious history/fiction. These started over a decade ago with imitations of known paintings such as "Spring Festival on the River" and have since proliferated. |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: rat Wed, Sep 01, 2021 Looks like I. Nagy has identified the originator of this and several other scrolls, nice job! |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Wed, Sep 01, 2021 Thanks very much to both I. Nagy and RAT!!! |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: rat Thu, Sep 02, 2021 given the 60 year lunar cycle, 2012 may be the date |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Wed, Sep 01, 2021 Born in 1940, the painter could not have painted it at 12 years old. It could also be painted by him in 2012? |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Thu, Sep 02, 2021 1952 is too early. |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Thu, Sep 02, 2021 Again, thanks so very much to you both 🙏😊🙏 |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Fri, Sep 03, 2021 I think, I have found the answer. |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Fri, Sep 03, 2021 The last(encircled) characters from the imitated scroll, |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Sat, Sep 04, 2021 Dear I. Nagy, |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: I.Nagy Sun, Sep 05, 2021 Dear Tony, |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Mon, Sep 06, 2021 Dear I. Nagy, |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Fri, Sep 03, 2021 Interestingly, I even found online copy of the EXACT painting scroll I saw! Of course the seals look different, and it seems that photos of the original were pasted together and the spacings of the scenes became slightly different as compared to the original. |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Sat, Sep 04, 2021 These are the 2 from the original that I can get to share 🙏 |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Sat, Sep 04, 2021 |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Sun, Sep 05, 2021 To me, it is indeed an interesting scroll as shown and described below. I persuaded my friend and he agreed to further share the details of the scroll. |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Sun, Sep 05, 2021 As compared to later version |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Sun, Sep 05, 2021 ALL the later versions imitated or copies of imitation do not have this “unexpected addition”, Including the one that I thought was the online copy of the exact original I saw. Please see below |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: manuD Thu, Sep 09, 2021 Another copy of your "original" scroll is available on a French auction site |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Thu, Sep 09, 2021 Thanks for the info manuD 🙏😊 |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Thu, Sep 09, 2021 And I should have put the word “original” in quote, as I am sure there had been other paintings of the novel since the 14th century. |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: manuD Sat, Sep 11, 2021 The 108 heroes are listed in the wikipedia page in French (but not in the English one) |
Subject:Re: Info on the “Water Margin” 108 Heroes Painting
Posted By: Tony Sun, Sep 12, 2021 Again, I really appreciate your time and kind help manuD🙏 |
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