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Subject:Chinese porcelain
Posted By: johnalden Thu, Oct 13, 2011 IP: 108.35.17.55 This has no markings lot a bunch of the other vases and porcelain so I am not sure if I will be able to get much help on it but any info would be appreciated. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: Cal Thu, Oct 13, 2011 Poorly transfer-printed design, 20th century but possibly before 1940. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Oct 13, 2011 Appears to be Japanese transfer ware, circa first quarter of the 20th century (late Meiji-Taisho period). |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: johna Sat, Oct 15, 2011 Yes I figured that it was to sloppy looking to be anything good. I have a few boxes of these unmarked bowls and plates and most look sloppy like this one so those are probally not to good. Is there an easy way to tell what is pressed and replicated and what is real? |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: mikeoz Sat, Oct 15, 2011 Bill H, I think this is more likely stencilled than transfer ware. look at the breaks in the lines. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: Emiko Sun, Oct 16, 2011 Hi to all, jut to let you know the bowl is decorated by the method of surie-inbande, using hand cut paper patterns. I do accutually like them myself. It gives you a warm impression. I guess it's a matter of taste. Emiko |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Oct 17, 2011 Hi Emiko, |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: Emiko Tue, Oct 18, 2011 Hi Bill, my pleasure to be a part of Asian forum any time I can join in. Transfer method such as European transferware is a bit different than Japanese surie. Surie uses a hand cut paper which applies on the vessel and the pattern is brushed in through the cut holes and lines. This method was only used about 1880 - 1910 in Japan. The finished product appears very much primitive comparing to the transferware, but maybe by this same reason, collectors in Japan love them. Emiko |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: john a. Wed, Oct 19, 2011 Sorry I was away for the last few days but thanks again for the help. It is VERY helpful in making a novice like me understand the process and get a grip on this collection. I noticed Emiko stating that in Japan collectors like them but from what I gather they are just replicas made using a different technique in the late 1800s to early 1900s made to look old. There is just so much to learn when it comes to this Asian genre of antiques I am having a love hate relationship with it :):):) Thanks again I will post a few more to see what you guys think and so I can get a better understanding on some of this collection... |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: Bill H Thu, Oct 20, 2011 'Replica' is one of those words that should be used sparingly when talking about Japanese and Chinese ceramics. 'Design Continuation' is the operative term in cases where no fraud is intended. |
Subject:Re: Chinese porcelain
Posted By: Johna Fri, Oct 21, 2011 Very helpful information is an understatement so I thank you for taking the time to help me understand the history. I did not mean to use the word replica in that regard and I do have a better understanding of what I have thanks to you and this forum. I am each day coming to realize the appraisal service we invested money into was way off on many items and it is very frustrating. Another example of this is I was told a ceramic bowl I have is a from there report "A Large Pinto Redware Painted Olla (ceramic cooking vessel),Salado, Arizona.This is very nice example of an early native american pottery. One can never to sure or the origins of this type of pottery but the Pinto Redwares seems to be most similar, in that the shape is typical and the geometric decoration is also known. Similar geometric decoration was later found in Hopi and other native american tribes wares which only serves to suggest that such decorative patterns and schemes moved from one tribe to another.Date: |
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