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Subject:Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Fri, Jan 04, 2008 IP: 69.148.242.174

Dear All,

With the guidance of Gman, I have been posting some larger pictures with some success. I would like to share with you one of my favorite items which is a powerful ancient Chung dZi bead of jumbo size. Eventhough some of the lines were faded, but the bead shows a spectacular color play especially after the bead is charged with Qi-energy that included some body moisture. The red/orangish stains(the blood)due to age surface, and the bead's overall color enhanced when the bead is fully charged of Qi-bodyheat. It indicates that the energy activates the electrons of the molecules of the beads, and put the colors back to the color centers.

Randy Li



Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: gman Sat, Jan 05, 2008

Hi Randy,

That's an awesome piece for sure!
I hope we get to see more of the goodies you have collected soon.

And you are certainly getting your money's worth out of that camera now!

The garden is a good place to practice Macro photography too. Tree bark, lines of ants, even the stucco on the side of the house are good practice. I don't know if it is cold where you are, but in the early morning you can photograph ice crystals.

Enjoy!
Cheers
Gman

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: senztone Mon, Jan 07, 2008

i agree with Beadman...
your bead may be old but not ancient because it lack of weathering marks & usage patina.
in tibetan culture, people wear beads all the time and for the very long time.
they also pass their beads to the next generation.


URL Title :for more information


Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Wed, Jan 09, 2008

Do you really think that you know dZi beads after reading a few books or visiting a few websites? Can you really recognize weatherings on this bead? You actually don't know a lot basing on what you said! Believe it or not, it is your choice. I don't need your approval to prove that this item is authentic. Lao Tzu has said that,"If no ones laugh at the Tao, it will not be true tao."

Can't you see that this one was originally a three-line Chung dZi bead. Where are the lines now? The center line was also faded. I only captured this whiten/calcined spot on the center line that appears like a white line in the picture. The reason I bought this bead at high price many years back was that the bead was free of dissolution cavities and had very few blemishes. I was also amazed by its strong color-change that I was researching. At the same time, there was another jumbo Chung dZi available that was the best "Tiger Stripe" line bead that I have seen. I could only afford one bead at that time because they were very expensive. I chose this bead mainly for studying the color-change, and I like the beautiful color-play. The two beads were offered to me at the same price, but I chose this one even knowing the other bead had a higher future market value. I was in it more for learning and for personal interest. Over the years, I received a lot of joy and benefited from the energy of this bead.

Any ancient bead that is longer than 2 inches have become extremely rare and expensive. I am now a bead master that I promote bead wearing for health, and I design and make beads to help people get rid of health problems. I can actually feel how old the bead is by the touch that most people don't have any clue and are skeptical for my knowledge. As I said, believe it or not it is your choice. But I truly know what I am doing, and a lot of people benefited from my Healthbeads over the years.

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Thu, Jan 10, 2008

I visited the site! There are some good info. He obviously don't have a lot of real important beads, and no pure dZi beads. They might be too expensive to acquire. I did see some unweathered Chung dZi beads on that site, that says no all ancient beads are weathered and altered.

He mixed up the blood and the cinnabar dots. They are two diffeent things. They might all be due the iron-oxide on the surface or inside the content of the bead, but cinnabar dots are for the substance/changes on the surface, the other one is the internal color-change due to energy and humidity at the molecular level.

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: pipane Sun, Jan 06, 2008



Looks nice, but could you show us this bead holes in order to see if it is an old one? Very difficult to know otherwise.

Old Zdi are very rare and valuable...I have never seen them turn to red with time or 'Qi Energy'...

Regards,

Pipane

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Mon, Jan 07, 2008

Dear Pipane,

The trade call this "Blood" which is in fact only a color change. This phenomenon is very common among ancient beads.

Even sound-harn jades that are at least four, five hundred years old and older may change color when holding in the hand and absorbing the body heat and some of the moisture from the hand. The color-change is in fact a process of turning into a Sok Harn. If you put the same jade with other sound harn jades, it usually will return to sound-harn in short time. I have been studying sound-harn and sok-harn and color change for many years.

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Mon, Jan 07, 2008

Dear Pipane,

Any ancient dZi bead or Chungzi bead that reaches 2 inches long and above becomes very rare and expensive. I have been focusing on dZi beads and amber beads for quite sometime because I like their amazing healing properties. I promote bead-wearing for health! There was another similar jumbo size bead that was a "Tiger-stripe" line bead in perfect condition available at the same time. But I could only afford one at that time, and I chose this bead before of its spectabular color change. They 're expensive beads! That's why it was not easy to buy them all!

Randy Li

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Beadman Sun, Jan 06, 2008

Unfortunately, your bead appears to be a modern reproduction. JDA.

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Mon, Jan 07, 2008

Dear Jamey4beads,

Are you kidding? Or, this is only what you assume, and you probably haven't seen an authentic one like that in person yet!

Only the patina alone on this bead shows the age if you are experienced enough!

Can you show us what you got?

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Tan Tue, Jan 08, 2008

Hi Beadman,

Your name per se is telling me you're very much involved with beads. If I may, I would like to seek your expert opinion of a Tibetan Zhi Gou Fu bead which was given to me by a Very Important Tibetan Spiritual leader whom I had a rare opportunity to meet some years ago.

Pictures of this bead are attached. When I view it against some light the black patch will turn to"ox blood" red. The most mysterious part of it is on the black patch there are extremley fine hairline cuneiform scripts. Unfortunately my photography skill cannot capture those cuneiform scripts. These cuneiform scripts as far as I am concerned can't be man-made as they are too fine to be carved by tools. I can only see them with a 20 times triplet.

I agree absolutely with Pipane that old Zhi beads are extremely rare and valuable. Modern zhi beads are produced in "factories" in China and one can get truck loads of them. They are sold everywhere in China from departmental stores to road side hawkers. I know this because I am living in China. They are for tourists but many collectors unfortunately believe they are old.





Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: See Yong Joo Thu, Jan 10, 2008

Hi Judy,

>>Tibetan Zhi Gou Fu bead
Could u post the name in Chinese?

Cheers,
dzi_lover

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Thu, Jan 10, 2008

Gou Fu - 角符, a square charm.

Subject:Your Agate Bead
Posted By: Beadman Wed, Jan 30, 2008

Dear Judy,

Unfortunately I do not recognize your bead. I would be very surprised if it were not recent. Spiritual leaders are not necessarily the owners and distributors of ancient or old beads. They are also usually not bead experts. Presumably, they think the stone is beneficial, whatever its age and origin. Seek reliable advice about beads from a competent bead researcher, such as myself.

There is no such thing as cuneiform script that is not man-made. Cuneiform is a human-developed language and writing system. However the script was added to the bead in question, it was a man-made application. Are you certain this is actual cuneiform, and not something else? In recent years, Chinese beadmakers have been placing Tibetan script (or perhaps pseudo-Tibetan) onto very small beads. I have an amazing strand of new coral beads, so-treated. In any event, perhaps it is not cuneiform at all (?)

I have studied zi beads for over thirty years. Please refer to my article in Arts of Asia, 2002. It is a pretty good piece of writing, and presentation of zi beads, fakes, and reproductions.

Cheers, Jamey

Subject:Re: Your Agate Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Wed, Jan 30, 2008

Dear Jamey,

Nice meeting you here! Would you take a look at the jumbo line bead and the two-eye bead that I posted? I have been a treasure hunter for over 40 years. I focus more on archaic and antique jades and gem stones. Slightly more than a dozen years ago, I was attracted to amber beads and eventually dZi beads for their amazing healing properties. I started promoting bead-wearing for health. I feel that the older the beads, the more energy that they can hold.

God bless!

Randy Li

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Bill Tue, Jan 08, 2008

Hi, Beadman:

Just being curious, how did you figure out this bead is modern reproduction?

Randy seems to know what he is doing and he calls this one "ancient". I believe the size and beauty of it makes it unusual.

I do not know too much about this type of bead. Just am curious. Thanks.

B

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Thu, Jan 10, 2008

Hi Senztone,

Thank you for the interesting link. I would appreciate your comments on the bead which I have posted.

Thanks.

Judy

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Beadlover Thu, Jan 10, 2008

A beadmaster? Who is he? What he does? Which institution bestows this fantastic title? Does he carry the title BM after his name? I am just curious.

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Fri, Jan 11, 2008

Just stop being an ignorant skeptic! I use beads to restore people's health!

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Fri, Jan 11, 2008

Hi Yong Joo,

Randy has already answered your question. Thanks Randy.

Judy Tan

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Fri, Jan 11, 2008

Hi Yong Joo,

It is me again. The full name should read as "Gou Fu Tin Zhu"

Judy Tan



Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Fri, Jan 11, 2008

Hi Randy,

I have seen zhi beads longer than 2 inches in The Potola Palace in Tibet. These huge size beads are never worn around the neck unlike those smaller one. They are placed on altars. I have also seen one in a temple in Taiwan. I have also seen yet another one in a museum in New York City.

I am taking this opportunity to post a picture of one which is about 5 inches long. This one is hung onto the ceiling.

Judy Tan



Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: pipane Sun, Jan 13, 2008


Hello There,

There a long time we haven't got real conversation on this forum and I must say I am very interested in this topic.

Let me first let you know that I have been collecting ancient beads from all over the world for more than 15 years. From West Africa to China, from Neolithic to 19th century, from stone to glass beads. I have learned from collectors, logically I have home all the related books (from Planches piccards to less specialized books).
I am specialist of Chinese ancient glass beads (having already collected all the beads you can find in specialized related books). And of course I get interested in Dzi beads, Agate Dzi beads and jade beads...

I must say that items posted by Judy Tan are fantastics (thank you Judy for sharing). The black one is impressive. She also gives to the forum full clear explanation about their origin.

Regards,

Pipane

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: pipane Sun, Jan 13, 2008


Hello there,

Here is two beads from my personal collection...

Pictures:

Agate (manao) natural single eyed bead (Origin Xinjiang province China) pipane collection

Two eyes Tibetan Dzi bead. pipane collection

Pipane





Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Sun, Jan 13, 2008

Dear Pipane,

Interesting beads! Do you feel good wearing your beads?

The two-eye dZi picture was out of focus(being too close). Can you take another picture showing the other eye?

I have been wearing a two-eye on my wrist everyday. Mine had been ground on both ends for use as medicinal trigger. What other beads do you collect?

Randy Li

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Mon, Jan 14, 2008

Hi Pipane,

I just came back from a long vacation from Australia, Singapore and Thailand. Judging from what you wrote I am sure you are having a fantastic collection of beads. I have been travelling around China for decades and I have come across some very interesting beads. If I come across them again I will surely let you know for your reference and research. I am spending 7 days a week searching for what I want through my network of contacts. I even travel as far as to England to see what heirloom estate sales can offer. In the early days, I found some very fine and rare pieces at heirloom estate sales. When I came across those pieces I would tell "them", "not to worry I will take you back home to China". I always cried when I saw them. They rewarded me handsomely overtime. I made my first bucket of gold and I never looked back.

I am a nutty collector. I collect almost anything that is worth collecting but my favorite is still ceramics.Collecting art is an art by itself. I started collecting when I was 20 and that was 30 years ago.

Coming back to the large zhi bead I posted here. I bought an old house in China. I wasn't interested in the house. I was more interested in the land on which the house was built. I didn't even bother to enter the house after I had bought it until one day I took some stuff to store there. When I looked up the old ceiling I saw the bead hanging there. It is still hanging there until today. I will take it down as soon as I have completed the sales of the land to a property developer before the bulldozer came in.

Who hung it there and for what reason I don't have a clue.

Judy Tan


Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Mon, Jan 14, 2008

Dear Judy,

Where is the property located at? In Sichuan or Tibet? There may be more beads in the house/property.

It 'll be nice if you can take some close-ups and some pictures showing the holes. It might even be an ancient bead.....!

I also got a huge bead as big as yours that has been hanging on a hanger. I haven't really looked at it because I thought it was either a new bead or the so-called Middle-Period bead. I 'll take it out and study it again.

Randy Li

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Tue, Jan 15, 2008

Randy,

The property is in Guangzhou. I can't take any close ups until I take it down from the ceiling. I will not take it down until I have completed the sales of this property which is presently under negotiation.

I doubt there will be other beads on the property.

Can you show us pictures of your bead.

Judy

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Judy Wed, Jan 16, 2008

Hi Pipane,

As you're a bead specialist I would like to seek your opionion about this Tibetan amber piece which is called "round charm" over here. Would you consider it as a bead? It is 2 inches in diameter. Thanks.

Judy



Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Tue, Jan 29, 2008

Dear Pipane,

Here's the ancient two-eye dZi bead that I wear everyday on my wrist with some hundred-some year old African green amber beads. The dZi bead's both ends had been ground numerous times for the powder for use as herbal medicine triggers!

Randy Li



Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: pipane Wed, May 27, 2009

Sorry I am not a bead specialist...long time glass bead collector at most, I collect archaic jade too.

I do know some specialist and good collector around the world (an old network my mother as been collecting beads for 20 years)

I get into Chinese beads recently (6 years)...I can't tell about your amber bead, for the two eyes Dzi bead it looks modern to me, agate beeing a very hard stone, it should show a very different surface aspect from what I see here...

I use to be over careful with Dzi beads since I am not an expert and I have seen astonishing copies available on the market. I won't buy any out of a restricted circle of reputable dealer/collector...far too risky.

Regards,
Pipane

Subject:Re: "Chung" Zi Bead
Posted By: Beadman Tue, Feb 19, 2008

Hello Bill,

First off, I have studied zi beads and other decorated agate beads for over twenty-five years. I have examined thousands of them, have a decent personal collection, and have documented the beads in several major collections. I recommend my article on zi beads that was published in Arts of Asia in 2002. It is the most comprehensive work on zi beads since 1982. In it I discuss authentic zi beads, old and new fakes and reproductions, beads that inspired zi beads, and other related beads--illustrating all this with very good photographs.

The new wave of Chinese reproductions of Tibetan zi beads is only about sixteen years old. I saw my first in 1992 (it being the first one brought back to the US from Asia), and have collected them ongoing since then. I was also in Taiwan in 1997, and saw the very first decorated carnelian beads that are an offshoot of this industry. The Chinese beads have a look that is recognizable a great percentage of the time. I am reasonably confident that when I say a bead is a fake, that it is. Conversely, I would not authenticate a zi bead from a photo--because some fakes are really good looking. But the bead in question is not a good fake. The quality of the red ends smacks of the new Chinese process for adding a red tinge to agate. While it is certainly possible that some actual chung beads may have asymmetrical designs, I am not aware of any--particularly not like the bead we are discussing.

Actual chung zi beads have characteristic attributes, in terms of the material itself, the sort of decoration (white lines) and darkening, the pattern of the lines and zones, surface qualities, and compromise (weathering, dings, etc.). The bead we are looking at has none of these qualities. It is a very different bead.

Take care. Jamey

Subject:Re: "Chung" Zi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Tue, Feb 19, 2008

Dear Jamey,

You may need to retract what you claimed just basing on a picture. I am also highly capable of identifying authentic items and fakes with my over 40 years treasure-hunting experience and as a gemologist. What I want to say is that not all items will be exactly as what you have in mind, the beads altered and the color faded at different level depending on what was the manufacturing process and the different burial environmental condition. You have clearly made a mistake!

Sincerely,

Randy Li

Subject:Re: "Chung" Zi Bead
Posted By: Beadman Mon, Feb 25, 2008

Dear Randy,

You are welcome to hold any opinion you like. Usually, it is I who am telling people of the difficulty of determining authenticity from a photograph. So this is a factor with which I am most familiar. And this is a mistake I would not make.

Being a "treasure hunter" and a "gemologist" hardly prepares anyone for understanding and identifying authentic zi beads. I likewise have forty years of dealing with all sorts of beads, from everywhere in the world, of all materials and places of origin--on a daily basis. My credentials and experience as a bead specialist would be difficult to match. And I have studied Tibetan beads and particularly zi beads for over twenty-five years. My level of knowledge, and my opinions are clearly presented in the article I composed, on zi beads, for Arts of Asia in 2002. Have you read it? Are you in any way current with the bead literature, composed by authorities (and not by sellers and collectors who have personal agendas)? There is plenty of misinformation available in popular culture. I have been documenting it and answering it for a very long time now. Dependable information is found by consulting the people who make the acquisition of real information their life's work--as I have.

I have not "made a mistake." You are taking what I said out of context. What I said is that, from your photo, based on my knowledge, I do not recognize your bead to be authentic--and, in fact, it has characteristics that I find to be consistent with recent Chinese reproductions.

Ideas about "color fading" and "burial conditions" are pointless when discussing a new bead that is a fake.

Jamey

Subject:Re: "Chung" Zi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Tue, Feb 26, 2008

Dear Jamey,

Your thinking of my bead as a Taiwan made modern fake is erraneous because I know for sure the origin of the bead. The only odd is that it is the only three-line bead in this shape that I have seen. There are many beads like that in this shape in the book Gzi Beads Of Tibet.

As for the artificially-tinted red tint as you think, I am specialized in the field of natural color change of minerals. I can tell you that these are not artificially-enhanced. I had in-depth research in gemology and archaic jades with the help I recruited from well-known geologists and physicists.

To tell you the truth, I am the person to induce the so-called "blood" that you claimed as Taiwanese fake red tint by just transferring my bodyheat(some people call it Qi) to the bead. This is the kind of knowledge that you do not possess!

Did you look at the other beads I posted? Can you deny them too?

Regards,

Randy Li

Subject:Re: "Chung" Zi Bead
Posted By: Beadman Tue, Mar 04, 2008

Your replies and my comments:

"I know for sure the origin of the bead."

OK, what is it?

"The only odd is that it is the only three-line bead in this shape that I have seen."

It may the only such bead anyone has ever seen. This just demonstrates what a chimera it is—and certainly does not indicate antiquity.

"There are many beads like that in this shape in the book Gzi Beads Of Tibet."

And your point is what? Are you convinced that this book is faultless and does not include imitations? I am reasonably certain it does.

"As for the artificially-tinted red tint as you think, I am specialized in the field of natural color change of minerals."

I am well-schooled in the field of the artificial coloring of minerals. That you would consider this, for two seconds, to be "natural" demonstrates your ignorance. I don't mean to be blunt, but you would do well to open your mind and listen.

"I had in-depth research in gemology and archaic jades with the help I recruited from well-known geologists and physicists."

I am likewise informed by one of the most competent geologists/mineralogists in the U.S. And he, like myself, has published on this topic many times. The subject of jade (archaic or not) does not enter into the discussion. The subject is agate, and specifically the tradition and technology of Tibetan zi beads.

"To tell you the truth, I am the person to induce the so-called "blood" that you claimed as Taiwanese fake red tint by just transferring my bodyheat(some people call it Qi) to the bead."

I can only leave it to others to decide whether this should be given a gram of credence. I think you reveal your self-delusion.

"This is the kind of knowledge that you do not possess!"

Thankfully, I am grounded in science and fact. In any event, is it wise to judge others and tell them what they have or don't have? I am practiced in lowering my Qi, as I do Tai Chi. You should ask rather than tell.

"Did you look at the other beads I posted? Can you deny them too?"

I most likely did not look at them. I deny nothing. Post links, and don't make me search fruitlessly.

Be well. JDA.

Subject:Re: "Chung" Zi Bead
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Tue, Feb 19, 2008

Quote:
"The quality of the red ends smacks of the new Chinese process for adding a red tinge to agate. "

" It is a very different bead. "

Dear Jamey,

Unfortunately, the red tinge is not a new Chinese process as you perceived! It is a natural color change in between Sok Harn and Sound Harn. It is about body moisture and energy level, electrons activities around the color-centers of the lattice of the material.

It is in deed a very different bead as you said that you may have not seen that before! But, you are making a mistake in declaring it fake just because you have never seen a bead like that before!

Randy Li

Subject:A Message To The Famous Beadman
Posted By: wingchuntaiji Tue, Feb 19, 2008

Quote:
"I recommend my article on zi beads that was published in Arts of Asia in 2002. It is the most comprehensive work on zi beads since 1982."

Who made the above statement? You said that! It seems to be overly self-peddling. Have you read the two editions of Gzi Beads Of Tibet by Lin Tung Kuang, and The Bewitching Bijou Of Tibet-an Illustrative study Of dZi Bead by Hung Shih Chang and compared your work to theirs. You claimed that you had worked with Chang, but I couldn't find any info to substantiate that claim!

Basing on your claim that the above bead is a fake of Taiwan origin, but I know the bead's place of origin with certainty. I now seriously doubt your competence in identifying dZi beads and Chung dZe beads as you claimed yourself are the dZi and Chung dZi expert! It also appears to me that anyone can write books and articles and hang out with the people in the circle long enough to make oneself famous. But, if you can't even identify the dZi beads and Chung dZi beads that I posted correctly, it shows that you are not as competent as the image you set up for yourself! These are simply some facts! No offense intended! (=:

Randy Li

Subject:To Mr. Li
Posted By: Beadman Thu, Mar 13, 2008

Mr. Li,

You only reveal your ignorance!

I have studied the artificial coloring and decorating of agate for well over twenty-five years. That you would consider the color of your bead to be "natural" demonstrates your lack of information, and your closed mind. It is abundantly clear that you do not understand that the VAST MAJORITY of red agates have been artificially colored for thousands of years—and that "natural carnelian" is quite infrequently to be found.

You should also understand that I am familiar with the look of artificial carnelians from the primary industries that produce it—these being India, Idar-Oberstein, Germany, and most recently China. I recognize the look of your bead to be consistent with recent Chinese products. And I am confident it has NOTHING to do with "body moisture," nor with "electrons" influenced by YOU.

I did not "declare your bead to be a fake" because "I have never seen one before." This is your convenient misinterpretation of what I wrote. I said I recognize your bead to be a fake, AND I have not seen its like before. I have documented several unique fakes in my career. But they were clearly fakes, like your bead.

You think I am promoting myself because I give you a source of better information than you have at your disposal? Good grief! The man who disregards good advice is a fool.

I do not appreciate being called a liar. It is a known fact that my book, "Eye Beads and Magic Amulets" was published by Hung Shi Chang, and includes text written in English and Chinese by each of us, respectively. That you cannot locate this book to satisfy your consternation does not mean it does not exist. I am told it is still available in several Asian book stores, even now. Get educated!

You keep saying you know the origin of your bead—but you refuse to reveal what that may be. What is your point? It is clear you fervently believe a false and unprovable story.

It is absurd, and a lie, to say I have claimed to be a zi bead "expert." You are putting words in my mouth. Dozens of times, over the past thirty years, I have said over and over again, in many contexts and venues that "there are no bead experts." I do not claim to be an expert in this field. But I do claim to have abundantly more knowledge than YOU.

If you want "facts," read my article, keep an open mind, contemplate the information, and get back to us. At the moment, you are indulging in fantasy and self-delusion.

JDA.

Subject:Re: To Mr. Li
Posted By: Jay Thu, Oct 12, 2017

I have a question. I have a client who claims she has Dzi bead necklace worth around 10,000,000. First is this possible? Second where would I find a buyer?

Subject:Re: Tibetan Buddhist Jumbo Size Chung dZi Bead
Posted By: Kunzang Mon, Mar 19, 2012

Hello Randi,

May I know if this chung dzi is for sale?

Do you have Tibeatan dzi for sale.

Thanks


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