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Do you own this piece? Or are these pictures of a jade bird from some HS jade book?

While the 沁色 qin se (color permeation)and bao jiang 包浆 (outer gel-like layer) of this jade bird are indeed better than most HS pieces that were readily available for sales in the market and its material is most likely that of higher grade nephrite jade which may indeed be one of the credible material used for genuine HS jades, I am not sure I can accept the fact that it is an authentic HS jade piece without being able to examine it in person and/or in how you attributed it as authentic.

I am a bit disturbed with its lack of better luster on its surface because authentic HS jade birds, especially those that were made of such high grade nephrite jade (with a S.G. close to 3.0 some time) and with polishing that was accomplished with animal fat and pelt, very often after years' time, should exhibit much better luster than those displayed on your piece. I also do not really believe the bao jiang on your piece is good enough for a genuine HS piece.

I am also disappointed with the color of your piece; it appears to be more white than celadon. I had seen similar nephrite material being used in making some fake HS pig dragons. I would really love to see a HS jade bird that was made of those unique bright yellow jade material with gem like luster. I had never seen one like that for sales.

In short, without being able to truly examine your piece closely, I am not sure too many of us can say for sure it is a genuine HS jade bird or not. A better jade bird than average, yes. But a genuine HS jade bird? Not so sure. Thank you for sharing this piece with us. Do you have any HS pieces that were made of those unique bright yellow HS jade material with brilliant luster? Thank you. Super

Please you to see what you wish !

Let's agree to disagree here.

Do you collect HS jade ?

Yea, I used to but as I learned more and more about them, I am not sure any average collectors have any hopes of ever obtaining any unquestionable authentic Hongshan jade pieces. I am also not sure what exactly Hongshan culture is and if there are any of its descendants who still survive today.

Hi Super,

It looks complicated indeed.
Wish you good luck in your holy graal quest.

In case you are living in HK, I can help you may be...it is called antiques shop : a very unusual place to buy real antiquities, you should try.

I can recommand you reputable and trustworthy dealers if you are interested.

Best regards，
pip

Thanks but no thanks. I used to live in HK a long time ago and if I ever visit Hong Kong ago I would probably love to visit some jade shops with you. So you had moved to Hong Kong now? The problem is I would be very very reluctant to buy any "antiques' in any of these Hong Kong antique shops. The chance of any antiques of being authentic is probably less than 10%. Of course, many antique dealers may truly believe in the authenticity of the antiques they sold, but.....
To collect antiques is a hobby of the rich who have too much money and do not know what to do with them.....

Again this is simply untrue.

I am not talking about you, there are tourist shops and internationally renowned antiquities dealers in Hk, how can you say that !?

Hk antiques market is flourishing, it has always been. Of course genuine antiquities are not especially cheap there, but quality comes at a price.

Regards,
P.

Not "my genuine" Hongshan Culture bird.

I am sure the real experts could tell, with just a glance.

Surface has no sign of Hongshan Culture age.

I won't buy this piece, not even for the price of a study piece.

Again this is not for sale, genuine or not.

all comments are welcome.

Interesting.

What is to you HS signs of age?

Where did you find these two? A HS jade book? I do like the jade bird you just posted than the first one. But again pictures of both are simply not good enough to tell too much about either piece. If you do won both pieces, may be some better close up pictures?

All are impossible to fake original HS jade patina, if you cannot see it I can't help it. But again impossible to fake and quite obvious for everyone involved in this collection/business.

B. regards
P.

Nothing is impossible to fake!
Even the famous Qing Emperor Qianlong who probably had one of the best jade collection, was once fooled by an archaic jade piece faked by one of his royal jade artisan.
Even the National Palace Museum in Taipei once exhibited "fake" Hongshan jades, believing they were the read McCoy. If you believe you can really be able to authenticate Hongshan pieces based on a low resolution picture, then you must be either a real HS expert or just as naive as many other HS jade collectors, myself included. To try to collect any authentic Hongshan jades, especially those with high price tags, IMHO, is a very foolish and risky endeavor. If you believe you can find them in China or in Hong Kong, then I am afraid you must believe you are better or smarter than many Chinese jade collectors there.
The problem with a few of those HS pieces you had posted before, is that the quality and purity of their material and their luster were simply so inferior that it was difficult to believe they could be anything but fakes. These two pieces you show here, while look a bit better, but the quality of your pictures are so poor and you claimed you could tell they were authentic, then you must get both from some jade books. No true HS jade expert would say what you said because they understand that there are simply a lot that they do not know. Therefore the real experts always remain humble and would never make statements such as those you made here.

Hi Super,
How are you ?

You must be right Super, I am sorry. Your appreciation on jade, especially archaic jades is impressive.

Just in case, would you have the reference article about thoses fake jades items in taipei museum collection you get me very curious...

I would be Happy to learn from your vast experience in this particular domain from now on. Let's start by fake patina on high grade jade, would enlight us and show us some exemples please ?

B. regards,
P.

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