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Subject:Re: Is this from a shipwreck?
Posted By: Endre Mon, Dec 11, 2017
I was hoping to hear some feedback from those who are more educated than myself. Undoubtedly there are more people who have or will have these and may have questions, so I will update this with my non professional opinion sighting museum examples, eBay examples, and observations about this piece, which I can hold in my hand. The border motif on the rim can be seen at least as far back as Yuan. Here is a link to Smithsonian, https://www.si.edu/Exhibitions/Chinese-Ceramics-13th-14th-Century-5533
The Hallwyl Museum has a benjarong example stating early 19thc origin China, https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skål_tillverkade_i_Kinasom_expotgods_för_Thailand,_1700-tal_-_Hallwylska_museet_-_99415.tif
The National museum of Vietnamese history has an example of another benjarong dish described as 19th century Thailand stoneware found in Hon Dam in 1991- this was not submitted by the museum itself, https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stem_dish_from_Thailand,_19th_century_AD,_stoneware_-_found_in_Hon_Dam,_Kien_Giang_province_in_1991_-_Museum_of_Vietnamese_History_-_Ho_Chi_Minh_City_-_DSC05879.JPG
The exposed portion on the base of my dish is comparable in my opinion to an exposed piece found at Ca Mau and featured at koh, http://www.koh-antique.com/Dehua/dehuamain.html
eBay examples described from many different time periods,
362176875535, 391940598477, 332430491319, 182601364838, 391941828251
There are over 1,000 shipwrecks in South East Asia alone, some are known and some are known only locally, and there are more to be discovered. Most have been and are looted by fishermen and treasure hunters. I have no way to determine if this was ever at the bottom of the ocean, so I will say not likely from a shipwreck. My dish seems to have been made in a wood burning or coal fired kiln, it has varying sized bubbles, there does appear to be a sheen on the cobalt near the surface when held at an angle in the light, no hollow lines, stylized motif which is mirrored on the under side, single stroke painting technique, no etched stencil lines, thinly potted on the top and more heavy on the base, the top rim is slightly warped and not perfectly circular, light passes through, it rings nicely, glaze appears to be quite thick. Looking at all that I have been able to find as far as references, I think this is early 19th century. However, I think this shape may have been used prior. I am not an expert, and I really hope someone who is more familiar could educate me more on this, I know some of you are extremely busy or uninterested, and a no reply is understandable. I will say China early 19th century for South East Asian market. Thank you for looking. Big apology to Dr.Iwan for misspelling his name in previous post
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