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Real archaic pieces?

Posted By: Bill
Posted Date: Feb 03, 2009 (09:21 AM)

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Dear Mircea:

I believe you, like all other jade collectors, are having troubles in selling your "archaic jades", especially during this economic hard times and therefore you are trying your very best to convince other jade collectors especially novices like me whom you believe should "kowtow" to the expertise of jade experts like you and in trusting your expertise unquestionably by paying a large amount for so called "archaic jades" in bargain prices.

Please note that I did not call your selling your "archaic" pieces in exorbitant prices, you did. If they are truly as you attributed, then acutally they are all real bargains. Unfortunately, after seeing all these pieces posted by you in this forum and in other sites, and after listening to your expertise regarding jade material including Taiwan jade (you said no nephrite jade were ever found in Taiwan) I now conclude that although you had indeed written a jade book, I do not believe you really know any more about jade especially jade material than me. I also conclude that you do not know more about dynasty jades than either Randy or for that matter, Anita. You surely do not know too much about Hongshan jade and I believe Diasi is still the one who knows Hongshan jade the most in this or other jade forum. No disrespect intended, this is just my honest appraisal.

You see, buying cheap pieces from eBay, study, test and examine each of them closely actually afford me the rare opportunity in being able to tell how a fake piece should look like. Therefore, I can tell right away your Hongshan rhyton (or whatever you want to call it) was not made of nephrite jade, but serpentine, is not an authentic Hongshan piece but a modern fantasty piece because it was actually made worse than some of these $25 Hongshan style pieces that were once readily available on eBay. (*Interestingly, there are no longer that many cheap nephrite Hongshan style jades available on eBay any more. I believe some of them, while they were not Hongshan, they were actually quite old.) I understand that it will be very difficult for you to accept such obvious fact (that your pieces are not authentic) from a jade novice like me comparing with an "established" jade expert/writer like you. I would also like to apoligize in advance that I may have ruined your chance of making BIG money from the sales of your "archaic jades" inadvertently by dare to express my honest opinions.

There is a slight possibility that a few of your pieces may be as archaic as you described and they might be truly "vetted" by jade collectors as you said. If that is truly the case, then I believe you should have no troubles in selling them via large auction houses to all these jade collectors with huge wallets and will not need to humble yourself in showing your great piece in this or other forum. Again, no disrespect intended. I just would like to point out the obvious fact to you that no matter how expert you may believe yourself in jade, there are still a lot of things you do not know about jades. You cannot attribut a jade piece as archaic and authentic without showing any support and proof and yet at the same time you demand otheres (such as Randy) in doing so. To do so is to have double standard.

I actually would purchase a jade piece from Anita before I would buy any one from your collection. ((Of course she would probably not sell me one.) We have our differences but I believe she actually knows more about jade than you. I know it will be hard for you to swallow this obvious fact but this is how I truly feel. Once again, I would like to beg your forgiveness if I have offened you. Thank you for your comments.

Bill

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Re: Real archaic pieces? - Mircea Veleanu - Feb 04, 2009 (03:41 PM)