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Re: A mighty amazing thread, a nice plate and a nice vase!

Posted By: Arjan
Posted Date: Mar 11, 2009 (06:59 AM)

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Dear Bill and others....

I hope it's OK for beginners to react as well.
I know a collecter (he is for decades) who says about this "I dont need a magnifier to judge a piece but judge it from a distence, looking at the hole piece gives me a better impression than staring at a detail".
Bill H gave his opinion on base of what he knows, have seen and experienced. (shape, decoration, colors a.s.o.)There is nothing wrong with that I think. 100% science??? I don't think so.
Till now, nobody gave another or better argumented opinion to convinced me that he's wrong.
I was the first to give an opinion about the mark. I wrote that it reads "Qianlong nian zhi" I think everybody game with that same opinion so maybe we can call this a conclusion.
But I also made a warning to write that it was probably 20th. century without seing the piece.
Tony -more or less disagreed with this maybe he saw this as a/my conclusion. That wasn't a conclusion... just a warning based on what I know/found/saw before. In this case;
Tony refered to Mikes Vermeer's site. I know that site of course but this only helps the other way round as Tony ment, I think. There is not such a mark on this site and I never saw one like this that was M&P. I've seen double boxed blue character marks, double boxed red seal marks, but never a M&P double boxed red (4) character mark. That doesn't mean that the don't excist but If it would be very rare.

Back to the piece. (I'm talking with myself now).
What else do I notice? .........
Women !!!..... with high hair and hairadornments.
When was this kind of hair in fashion ..........
Well...early 19th. century and later on in..... uhh...... Republic periode.
Was the style of painting the same.......
No..., In early 19th. century they often painted the inside faces with pink and the hairadornments, neckles and earrings were painted in gold.
In Repuclic... inside faces often unpainted, hairadornments, often painted in color , not in gold.
Does this prove anything? Of course not, just maybe one clue .......

best regards,
Arjan

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