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Bill you said, "glad to learn at least they are not modern."
While "old" may be a matter of opinion, these definitely are 'modern' by comparison with examples from the Ming Dynasty.
I personally would share Tim's estimation of time period.
The vases at your link, posted March 17, 2008, would be about the same age (less than 40 years old), though you can see that the motif quality is less clumsy. The link provided there would have valuable comments.
Either pair would not be out of place in a department store or tourist shop today. They may have had stickers to label place of origin.
Good luck,
Cal
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