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Subject:Jun vase
Posted By: James Wed, Sep 20, 2017 IP:

I need help identifying this vase. At first it looks really vibrant and modern, but in person it carries a lot of age. I really wouldn't make myself look an idiot and post this vase on here if I thought it wasn't interesting.

To my knowledge it's Jun style, the glaze looks fragile, it's also lifting and the crackle has patina, which I've not seen on modern ceramics.

The inside has crackle and a greeny brown patina at the bottom (I don't mean the speckled turquoise glaze colour, which actually reminds me of the spittoon type of vase on the Christie's website).

The feel of the vase in general feels old, like authenticated Song items I have. The base has three spur marks and old brown glue residue, the foot has been ground down by hand probably because the glaze slipped in the kiln, but the bare clay has patina. The body of the vase doesn't look like it's been turned on a modern wheel either; it feels organic.

Can anyone help please.

Subject:Re: Jun vase
Posted By: JLim Sun, Sep 24, 2017

Dear James

This form of flux glaze was invented in the time of Qianlong, not the Song Dynasty. However, someone else would have to help date this object, I don't have the necessary knowledge. The form of the vase is probably significant, as is the appearance of the porcelain at the foot. Otherwise this type of vase can be notoriously difficult to date.


Subject:Re: Jun vase
Posted By: James Sun, Sep 24, 2017

Hi Johnathan,

Thanks for your knowledge and time taken to look at my vase. I was probably being overly optimistic with the Song Dynasty, but at least I'm narrowing down its origin. I'm looking at it in my display cabinet in front of me as I'm typing this message, and I love the shape and colours.

Kind regards,

Subject:Re: Jun vase
Posted By: Bill H Sun, Sep 24, 2017

Makuzu Kozan lent the Japanese much knowledge about reproducing early Chinese glazes, and Shiwan seems to do a good job of making them too. Here are some images of a circa 1960's Japanese vase of similar form but less appealing color inspired by Jun glazes. Also, some views of what I believe is a Shiwan tripod censer that may be 19th century but seems to lack enough signs of age to be a candidate for Juntai origins. I can't say conclusively from your photos but have the impression that your vase may be potted somewhat thinly, like my modern Japanese example. The Shiwan piece and others I've seen, like the Sotheby's censer at the link, seem to be rather thickly potted.

Best regards,

Bill H.

URL Title :Juntai Censer

Subject:Re: Jun vase
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Sep 25, 2017

Sorry for the inconvenience. Here's another link that should work.

Bill H.

URL Title :Juntai Vase

Subject:Re: Jun vase
Posted By: James Mon, Sep 25, 2017

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your input and knowledge. The photos of the vase which you've posted looks very modern, it's personal preference but if I saw that vase for sale, I'd have zero interest in wanting to own it, it doesn't inspire me. Again with the censer, its undefined shape and glaze looks like it's trying too hard. I don't think these items are hugely relevant to my vase.

Kind regards,

Subject:Re: Jun vase
Posted By: James Mon, Sep 25, 2017

More information about this vase: 8.5", I would like to stress unlike modern glazes with crackle when you run your fingernail across the glaze you don't notice the individual cracks, with the glaze on this vase, you feel every crackle and the glaze itself has become loose from only what I can conclude as the vase swelling and shrinking from years of different environments it's been in. Like I've said, the glaze is lifting and even the edges of the pieces of crackle are getting their edges worn. The colour of the crackle is also obviously natural build-up and not something which is seen on modern crackle glazes.

You can't see from the photos, but on the edge of the mouth rim, it has blistering from thinning of the glaze. | Associations | Articles | Exhibitions | Galleries |