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Subject:Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Mon, Mar 07, 2011 IP: 110.33.222.94 hi i have reasearched many many many times on the net and i can't seem to find more about this bowl. it's alsmost 17.5 cm " width on the top and 7.5" deep bowl. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: dennis Tue, Mar 08, 2011 hi, prabhu |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu kafle Tue, Mar 08, 2011 What does that means good herb???? |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Cal Tue, Mar 08, 2011 You already guarantee in sale that is genuine Xuande. Why asking forum before take to auction house? |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Tue, Mar 08, 2011 You do know the requirements of big houses . And also there isn't big market for antiques insydney that's why Christies and Sotheby's closed their houses here. Common sense. Some things you know when you put in hands what they are and hiw old they are. Cheers |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: PyroManiac Tue, Mar 08, 2011 Oh... my... God! *Face Palm* |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Tue, Mar 08, 2011 Ha Ha Pyro, |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu kafle Tue, Mar 08, 2011 What dies this means ? I don't have a friend in Bali? well you are right, you wouldntevencross tge roomy see it cause you can't afford to see it. Haha. And anywyas for you to rent and see it might eventake a fortune. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Tue, Mar 08, 2011 With all the relevance explanation I have given am surprised due to almost all items nowadays are fake even some in museums and when an average guy has a original bowl its a fake but a collector who has even a fake bowl is considered original. What a world haha |
Subject:Well, Guess No one has seen it yet..
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Wed, Mar 09, 2011 guesss what??? well no one has seen it yet! have you's? i mean in real in the exhibition. oh don't you wish to hold it in your hands guys come one positive attitude? i saw in the threads about oh fake? oh definitely something is wrong? do you guys ever wonder that this was the first innovation using this tenchinqeu of underglazed blue with overglazed enamel? and do you have any idea that in that time itself it cost a huge amount of money to make this type of porcelain? hello!!! and like i said, how can one be sure? look at the references i provided in the links. all of the designs are different. the designs on the sakya temple bowl is differnt than the design in the bowl? and design on the broken dish in musuems is different than the design on the large plate?? so every designs are different if you take a close look. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: phil Tue, Mar 08, 2011 There`s another one of these offered on ebay at the moment for a buy it now price of $169.00 |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu kafle Tue, Mar 08, 2011 Looks like you have a little knowledge about this bowl. Just look at the difference between the enamel, the bubbles, the age and a tiny chip inside the bowl. Also please have a look at the base of the bowl. It shows extreme usage ofthis bowl. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Cal Tue, Mar 08, 2011 The design in the inside of the bowl is very close copy of a Xuande mark/period bowl excavated from Jingdezhen, published 1999 in book on Yuan and Ming porcelains excavated there. But the original bowl has typical Xuande bluish green instead of the present bowl fade-blue. The phagspa script inside rim is also a copy of the inscription in the same bowl. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Tue, Mar 08, 2011 Hi there , it dissimilar but again keep in mind you haven't may be even seen one of then in real with close eyes or even forget about holding in your hands and examining it. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Cal Wed, Mar 09, 2011 You seem to believe you know a lot in 3 months' time interest in Chinese antiques. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu kafle Wed, Mar 09, 2011 Hi am sorry but didn't mean to underestimate your knowledge on this field. But my big question is when you haven't had a close inspection of the artifact how can you be so sure. And there are some good points as well like tge shape and the marks abd tge execution. As stated earlier I haven't cleaned tge bowl but it can be cleaned and that part came Bice and shiny but don't want to damage. Also about the dragon there's a jar of dragon without the clouds but similar dots only and it us of xuande period. anywyas thanks for the comments. Looks like tgere us many things to be researched still on Chinese ceramics. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Wed, Mar 09, 2011 "expert inantiques and archeology, hiw can you tell the age abd why some are expensive he told me it's what you believe." |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Wed, Mar 09, 2011 Believe and reality!! I do agree and truly appreciate everyone fortheit comments and discussions regarding this bowl. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: leonlecoultre Tue, Mar 08, 2011 A couple of (0) feedback bidders who are apparently quite savvy. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: LEE Wed, Mar 09, 2011 Typical mix and match fake you can get from street stalls in China. The patina is fake with the typical one color brown and is shallow. The bowl has a concoction of wanli features for the mandarin duck and the wucai color but has a Xuande mark and xuande scripts and dragons with the early sumi blue and white. The inside of the bowl has typical Yuan dynasty motif of water lilies and ducks. The foot has features of 1900 late ching dynasty porcelain with serrated lines. Such mix and match features from all periods is a sign of the fakers not knowing what he is doing and has no idea about antique porcelain features. He is better of copying a piece straight out from a museum or auction catalogue next time. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Alf Thu, Mar 10, 2011 Hi Prabhu |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: dennis Thu, Mar 10, 2011 prabhu |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Mon, Mar 14, 2011 thanks denis, |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: phil Thu, Mar 10, 2011 Alf, all, |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: dennis Thu, Mar 10, 2011
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Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Alf Sat, Mar 12, 2011 Here Another Fake.....The blue and heap and pile effect in this fake box are all wrong. |
Subject:Re: Rare Antique Xuande Mandarin Duck and tibetan lanca script bowl
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Sat, Mar 12, 2011 First and foremost the mark itself is inconsistent. I doagree on this. The underglaze blue and in the shade design looks something wrong. Also cannot tell everything just looking by pictures. Either a detailclose up picture or handling the item can give me a clear idea. Cheers. Well guys this is just a practice. |
Subject:"The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Cal Wed, Mar 16, 2011 "The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids." |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Alf Thu, Mar 17, 2011 I believe, both the seller and the bidders are of the same person. No one will bids for such obvious fake object. It seem funny to me.... |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Fri, Mar 18, 2011 To tell you frankly I have the offer of20000 aud by an expert chinese guy. |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: PyroManiac Sat, Mar 19, 2011 How do you know the expert Chinese guy is an expert? Seems more like a fool to me. To be blunt because nothing short of a jack hammer seems to get through; you bowl is a low quality fake. It is known as a one glance fake by collectors. No need to pick up to have a closer look. One can debate if the item is a good fake. Can debate about profile, cobalt color, painting style, foot rim, paste density and all that. Not on your bowl. There is no debate necessary about your bowl. You talk about credentials. What about yours? You indicated that you only have just started learning about Chinese ceramics (3 months). That is nothing!! Most serious collectors over the years spend thousands on books. I myself have over 20 years experience and continued my fathers collection which was started in the 1960's. I don't even consider myself and expert. Just knowledgeable enough on the subject after 20 years of studying and handling various items. Others are much more knowledgeable then me and some have even wrote books on the subject as you have demanded to know if any of us have actually done so. Yet against all this, you act like you know more than everyone here. |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: rat Mon, Mar 21, 2011 because intelligence is always insulted by stupidity. |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: dennis Fri, Mar 18, 2011
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Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Fri, Mar 18, 2011 Dennis, |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Sat, Mar 19, 2011 Prabhu, |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: dennis Sun, Mar 20, 2011
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Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Alf Tue, Mar 22, 2011 Prabu |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Wed, Mar 23, 2011 Thanks for opening my eyes. I guess I must be wrong after all. But I contacted recently to a Chinese professor and ge and his five colleagues discussed about this bowl and am sorry to say this and am Not Lying Here. They came to conclusion looking at the close up pics it's a copy of xuande bowl BUT of Qing dynasty ;) |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Cal Wed, Mar 23, 2011 If anyone thought could be Qing Dynasty (say, Kangxi reign) reproduction would say so. |
Subject:Re: "The seller ended the listing early"
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Thu, Mar 24, 2011 Thanks cal, |
Subject:Xuande Underglaze Blue and Copper Red Decorated Ware
Posted By: Alf Sat, Mar 26, 2011 Hi Prabu, |
Subject:Re: Xuande Underglaze Blue and Copper Red Decorated Ware
Posted By: Prabhu Kafle Sat, Mar 26, 2011 hi alf , |
Subject:Re: Xuande Underglaze Blue and Copper Red Decorated Ware
Posted By: Peter C Sun, Aug 28, 2011 Just to let all the interested members know that this bowl was sold on eBay for $587.22, last Friday, way below the $28,000 offer from the "man in New Zealand". I can't help wonder why the owner didn't get a plane and fly to NZ and personally deliver the bowl himself, he would have made an extra $27,500. Or would he? I found everyone's comments really educational and have learnt a lot about Chinese pots. Thanks for the postings. Peter |
Subject:Re: Xuande Underglaze Blue and Copper Red Decorated Ware
Posted By: Robbert Tue, Sep 27, 2011
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Subject:Re: Xuande Underglaze Blue and Copper Red Decorated Ware
Posted By: stampboards Sun, Mar 22, 2015 Robert - sorry to read you were scammed by Pradhu Kafle of Fairy Meadow NSW. Did you ever get him to stump up the money he owed you? |
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