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Subject:Old Satsuma Ware unusal pieces
Posted By: progue Thu, Feb 02, 2012 IP: 212.183.140.58
Hi all, could anybody help out here, these pieces are so unusal, to my eyes anyway! The vases have a latticed piercing through the sides, all ofthem show a peacock i think in a tree, I would date them 1880?? Hodado satsuma? meiji period, has anybody seen anything similar? I am referring mostly to the detail of the pierced sides to the vases, and they are an unusual shape, also they seem to have some crudely rendered 'crusaders crosses' or a similar design, any info on this set is much appreciated.







Subject:Re: Old Satsuma Ware unusal pieces
Posted By: Cal Fri, Feb 03, 2012
Look like hastily decorated imitation Satsuma ware from tea set made for export. Indeed birds, but probably not meant to be peacocks. What you show is a cream pitcher and possibly a crude version of a spill vase (you do not give sizes or overall views).

Could be as early as early 20th century made Kyoto area, where potters made such items with more or less faked marks.

Or could be recent imitation meant to deceive.

Do internet search for "Satsuma mark" and "Satsuma mon."

Good luck,
Cal

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Subject:Re: Old Satsuma Ware unusal pieces
Posted By: Guy Fri, Feb 03, 2012
Seems to be a poor imitation of Satsuma pottery with a copied seal - In the seal, I read 'Dai Nippon' at the right and 'Gyokushu ga' at the left. Gyokushu was an important and famous decorator of quality Satsuma ware.

Subject:Re: Old Satsuma Ware unusal pieces
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Feb 03, 2012
The mark has a circled cross from the Satsuma crest (mon) on top. The characters read down in the first two stacks as 'Imperial Japan' (Dai Nippon) and 'Satsuma Ware' (Satsuma Yaki). The third stack at left begins with 'Gyoku' (the character for jade). I can't make out the others.

The decoration on this ewer looks unusually naive for a timeless Asian theme such as birds and flowers. Considering this and the fact that the mark is extremely irregular, invites speculation of possible forgery, perhaps by a Chinese contemporary decorative ceramics factory.

Best regards,

Bill H.

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