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Subject:Jade blog
Posted By: adam Wed, Oct 17, 2012 IP: 80.6.252.191 Would forum users be interested in a JADEblog which listed jades available in most european auction houses with pictures and price estimates? |
Subject:Re: Jade blog
Posted By: george vietze Tue, Oct 23, 2012 Adam, a Jade Blog where collectors could get information about buying and selling Jade would be most welcome. Objective information would be most welcome. Unlike the attitude that if is not |
Subject:Re: Jade blog
Posted By: adam Tue, Oct 30, 2012 Yeah, was just gonna provide details of the auction houses, their commisions, estimate prices and what tests they have done to confirm the jade material. |
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Posted By: Solihin Wed, Sep 27, 2017 i have 2 jade as seen in my blog, with price $ 40000, you can contact me use whatsapp 087881150682 ( Solihin ) |
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Posted By: Dave Wed, Nov 07, 2012 I applaud the idea Adam especially when this area is very grey to begin with. |
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Posted By: LEE Fri, Nov 09, 2012 Hi Dave, if you wanted to be a collector of jade one should have started 10 years ago, if you wanted to collect qing jade. The Chinese are obcessive compulsive with white jade that is flawless, without too many crack lines and impurities, typical of what was in fashion during the Qianlong period. Unless you are willing to pay a big sum, you would look at something older and less reflective. Opportunities lies in the Song, Yuan and Ming jade category where pieces had flaws and was of the more celadon and grey shade. The program on CCTV honor of jade part7 explains why. There are several good programs on jade on CCTV website. Such early jade are actually quite rare and several good pieces have emerged in the market recently, from old collections. However one should be weary to avoid the 1930's replica of this category a good eye is required. |
Subject:Re: Jade blog
Posted By: Dave Sun, Nov 11, 2012 Well Lee, I've had someone who started 20 years ago (for me) and pretty much aware on your guidance. Don't think you have visited my blog on Chinese Jade, but I actually shared materials from CCTV (even those you have mentioned). |
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Posted By: LEE Wed, Nov 14, 2012 Hi Dave, I have visited many antique shops in singapore, I have not seen one that sells authentic jade. Most of these dealers will tell you their jade is new or carved in the old style. Some will go to the trouble of taking out a few from the safe to show you, but still they weren't the type of jade you expected. If you go to Beijing Liulichang lane has a few government antique shops they some real pieces, but not cheap expect to pay mr than $10000USD for a reasonable piece. Antixwest has a branch there. If you go to shanghai the government antique shop at Bund st has some genuine pieces. The specialist is very honest and will steer you to the antique pieces. They are not cheap and most are smaller in size. However if you like to get large pieces of antique jade bigger than 4 inches you would have to bid at auctions . They are not a cheap way to collect but generally pieces sold at auctions are 1/3 the price of retail at most European country. If you need any help with jade pieces post them on this forum there are several experience collectors that can help you. pics of Liulichang Beijing, Government antique shop at Liulichang. Government antique shop at Bund st Shanghai. |
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Posted By: Dave Thu, Nov 15, 2012 Thank you Lee! In fact, mainland Chinese dealers actually bring several good white jade pieces down to Singapore every now and then to try their luck, but asking for exorbitant prices. |
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Posted By: LEE Fri, Nov 16, 2012 Hi Dave, if you go to either Shanghai or Beijing make sure you go to both those antique shops they have lots of interesting things, lots of antique porcelain and furniture for sale but the antique jade pieces are only a handful. I wouldn't trust any other dealers as it is too easy to get fakes from the forgers in Hetian or any other material. You know wages are still quite low in China and carving jade to look antique is still done in large scales at factories. If you want to see how good the fakes are go to antique complex at the old bell temple in Beijing. They have 3 stories of shops full of antique looking jade. They will cost you fraction of a real piece but they are made from mainly white russian jade that looks exactly like hetian, only a very train expert can tell. As for western dealers and auctions make sure there is a good provenance otherwise treat it as new. As for jade in singapore jade was only own by the wealthy and the imperial family in China in the past. It is much more precious than ceramics. So some of the jade pieces that we see floating around in the West with old provenance are probably from the imperial collection that was dislocated by war and by the eunuch during the last 2 centuries. However there was some replicas made in the 1900s for the antique jade trade but such are not hard to tell apart y studying the cut marks. The old jade that find it's way to Singapore we brought there by rich tycoons of the 20th century that bought them from overseas or from antique dealers that bought from grave robbers before 1990s. After this period the price of antique jade has become so high that if anything was good it would be sold through auctions or to the rich in China. pics of fake 1930s and latter jade at a antique stall. Very convincing replicas. |
Subject:Re: Jade blog
Posted By: george vietze Sat, Mar 16, 2013 This discussion of the difficulty of distinquishing whether an example of antique jade is truly a antique of a copy of an antique is a major dilema to a jade collector who is not |
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